life has a risk of death .......... dont do it
(actually its not a risk as you cant actually avoid it )
Domestic violence - can it ever be cute?
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life has a risk of death .......... dont do it
(actually its not a risk as you cant actually avoid it )
A good mousing moggie will take a dozen meece in a night, some even line the carcass' up on the back step for your approval and cats get inside domestic buildings where owls don't.
Toxoplasmosis ? there's a horrendous photograph somewhere on line of a child with a worm eaten eye....from 'dog' dirt; so it's not just cats. A little care all round and there's no issue.
I'm glad they're tame ones BR it makes it easier to have them around the gardens and sheds even if you don't allow them indoors.
They're basically dawn and dusk hunters, and contrary to common opinon they can be trained.
There are social rules in any household. My cats *never* climbed onto worktops or tables in the kitchen, for instance.
My last two very, very rarely took birds, I didn't encourage that leaping jumping catching in the air, play, but they certainly took mice and rats.
They both tried the toad, but it totally bamboozled them and they left it alone, likewise the hedgehog. Though the Tom needed defleaing after that encounter
Cats are definitely right or left handed too, and you can very simply teach them to pounce.........though by the sounds of it Mum's doing well, so she'll probably teach them soundly Cat teaching seems to rely heavily on Mum applying a thick ear or a good scrubbing, as necessary ....mine lined her kittens up at the toilet tray and one after another in they went, did the needful and left. The one that didn't cover up got swiped and sent back in to do it properly Woe betide any kitten that swiped back at Mum; pounced, held down and washed to within an inch of being baldy .......incidentally that works for those screaming brats who are reared to believe that all adults will endure their temper tantrums, too. A wet cloth and wash their face for them, leaves them stunned and silent and reasonable 
I know that having reared several litters of kittens in the house, one set orphans abandoned in a paint can in a skip that I have never had a mess in the house from them, yet when we were puppy walkers for the Guide Dogs for the Blind, the mess left me wishing I could just put a nappy on the puppy, even if it were only overnight.
Unfair to compare, I know, they're very different animals. If you're going to have chickens and ducklings though BR, they will try to take the new hatches. I suppose it's just all food to them. On the other hand if you have chickens you will get mice and rats trying for the missed feed, and the cat can be encouraged to keep their numbers down
If Mum trains them where you can watch, you might get some cracking photos of them learning to stalk
cheers,
M
and cats get inside domestic buildings where owls don't.Toxoplasmosis ? there's a horrendous photograph somewhere on line of a child with a worm eaten eye....from 'dog' dirt; so it's not just cats. A little care all round and there's no issue.
I'm glad they're tame ones BR
it makes it easier to have them around the gardens and sheds even if you don't allow them indoors.They're basically dawn and dusk hunters, and contrary to common opinon they can be trained.
There are social rules in any household. My cats *never* climbed onto worktops or tables in the kitchen, for instance.
My last two very, very rarely took birds, I didn't encourage that leaping jumping catching in the air, play, but they certainly took mice and rats.
They both tried the toad, but it totally bamboozled them and they left it alone, likewise the hedgehog. Though the Tom needed defleaing after that encounter
Cats are definitely right or left handed too, and you can very simply teach them to pounce.........though by the sounds of it Mum's doing well, so she'll probably teach them soundly
Cat teaching seems to rely heavily on Mum applying a thick ear or a good scrubbing, as necessary ....mine lined her kittens up at the toilet tray and one after another in they went, did the needful and left. The one that didn't cover up got swiped and sent back in to do it properly Woe betide any kitten that swiped back at Mum; pounced, held down and washed to within an inch of being baldy .......incidentally that works for those screaming brats who are reared to believe that all adults will endure their temper tantrums, too. A wet cloth and wash their face for them, leaves them stunned and silent and reasonable I know that having reared several litters of kittens in the house, one set orphans abandoned in a paint can in a skip
that I have never had a mess in the house from them, yet when we were puppy walkers for the Guide Dogs for the Blind, the mess left me wishing I could just put a nappy on the puppy, even if it were only overnight.Unfair to compare, I know, they're very different animals. If you're going to have chickens and ducklings though BR, they will try to take the new hatches. I suppose it's just all food to them. On the other hand if you have chickens you will get mice and rats trying for the missed feed, and the cat can be encouraged to keep their numbers down
If Mum trains them where you can watch, you might get some cracking photos of them learning to stalk
cheers,
M
Don't forget fish.
Cats aren't really the problem though, it's their owners.
If you have a dog your expected to clean up after it, train it to be sociable and never let it out into the public domain alone.
All good common sense.
Whereas cat owners think nothing to let their cats out all night, pooping and peeing on other peoples property, screaming at each other through the night, killing hundreds of thousands of birds even though they're well fed, routing through rubbish bin and screeching and clawing at anything that comes near it.
When i lived in UK we had one that would walk around the garden tormenting my dogs, when the dogs got close it'd pop through a hole in the fence and sit a few cm out of reach from the dogs.
I warned the neighbour on several occasions to keep it inside, he seemed to think it was funny, that was until i blocked the hole and my dogs got hold of his cat.
Being a decent bloke i scooped up the remains and took it round his house to explain what happened, only for him to get pee'd off that my dogs on my property did what dogs do to cats after several warnings from me.
Complete and utter arrogance by cats owners and pretty much usual from my experience.
I wouldn't want to intentionally cause suffering to any animal, but many cats and irresponsible cat owners are a pests.
Mary - if we allow any to stay it'll be as a neutered / speyed one. Its against my better judgement to be honest - but BB likes em and I love her...so....I have said the deal goes like this. One can be thought about as a neutered feral....never as a pet or house cat. If it earns its home, needs no feeding or vets bills, and does no damage, I'll tolerate a single, non breeding one. SO long as it does not inconvenience any of my neighbours.
I have already told the neighbouring landowners they are feral and no blame is going to follow from them shooting them..so if they go near chicks etc. I would confidently expect them to be shot. Which is right and proper to any "pet" that interferes with livestock. If it goes after my livestock, it'll be destroyed. Same goes for song birds.
I'm still hoping a neighbour owns up to owning the Mum and takes the lot on. Otherwise its RSPCA time for mum and all but one neutered one. That can be allowed as a feral for BB if we aren't "responsible" for it. If we are - they all have to go!
I have already told the neighbouring landowners they are feral and no blame is going to follow from them shooting them..so if they go near chicks etc. I would confidently expect them to be shot. Which is right and proper to any "pet" that interferes with livestock. If it goes after my livestock, it'll be destroyed. Same goes for song birds.
I'm still hoping a neighbour owns up to owning the Mum and takes the lot on. Otherwise its RSPCA time for mum and all but one neutered one. That can be allowed as a feral for BB if we aren't "responsible" for it. If we are - they all have to go!
If there's a tabby in the litter, or better yet, two tabbies, then they'll be very territorial and company for each other. They'll discourage other cats from coming around. If you provide them with a suitable toileting area (a bag or two of sand costs under a fiver, and they'll use it with very little encouragment) or occasionally dig over/loosen a bit or soil near a hedge, they won't even leave you a mess to find. A neutered Tom sometimes still goes a wandering.
Vet bills ? well, at the end of the day, you'd rather they be healthy, a kitten's jabs aren't expensive and the anti flea drops that are used at the back of the neck aren't dear. It makes for happier cats with very little effort.
The best option would be for the Mother cat's owner to take responsibility for their animal and progeny, but your gardens and buildings sound like ideal habitats for a moggie
We have native cats, and folks always took a kitten or two if they got the chance. There was a man up the street from my parents house when I was little who had a wild cat kitten. It was affectionate to him, but absolutely lethal to anyone else. By heavens though, could that beast hunt
For as long as people have farmed they have kept cats. It's only nowadays that we fret over birds, as prey, as well as rats and mice. They *all* ate the precious grain, the cat was the little hunter that kept on top of the problem. Now it's held agin them that they're good hunters
Silly really, just because they aren't subservient like dogs.
Mine liked to go walkabout with me. I miss that, I miss her quiet undemanding company, her nosiness that almost said, "What are you doing ? ", I miss his affectionate cuddling in to steal a snooze curled up agin me.......right enough my bother said he was my big soft pet, but a fiend from hell to the rest of the world.
Even if you don't keep them, enjoy the pleasure and interest they bring for the present
atb,
M
Vet bills ? well, at the end of the day, you'd rather they be healthy, a kitten's jabs aren't expensive and the anti flea drops that are used at the back of the neck aren't dear. It makes for happier cats with very little effort.
The best option would be for the Mother cat's owner to take responsibility for their animal and progeny, but your gardens and buildings sound like ideal habitats for a moggie
We have native cats, and folks always took a kitten or two if they got the chance. There was a man up the street from my parents house when I was little who had a wild cat kitten. It was affectionate to him, but absolutely lethal to anyone else. By heavens though, could that beast hunt
For as long as people have farmed they have kept cats. It's only nowadays that we fret over birds, as prey, as well as rats and mice. They *all* ate the precious grain, the cat was the little hunter that kept on top of the problem. Now it's held agin them that they're good hunters
Silly really, just because they aren't subservient like dogs.
Mine liked to go walkabout with me. I miss that, I miss her quiet undemanding company, her nosiness that almost said, "What are you doing ? ", I miss his affectionate cuddling in to steal a snooze curled up agin me.......right enough my bother said he was my big soft pet, but a fiend from hell to the rest of the world.
Even if you don't keep them, enjoy the pleasure and interest they bring for the present
atb,
M
The best argument FOR the vet is simply that some of their diseases and/or parasites are zoonotic (can be passed on to humans)
