Does fairness exist?

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Tank

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I have just been in a debate (she calls it an arguement) with my wife about fairness.

whats your thoughts?

before I put down my thoughts i want to see what others think
 
It definitley exists, but it seems a long way away at times.

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Fairness is a ‘mental construct’ where the existence of fairness depends upon a person’s mind.
So, No it does not exist. What is fair to one is unfair to another, what may be fair (given x) may not be fair at a different time (given x+y).
 
I don't believe there is any moral force in nature, which would be required for fairness to exist there. The concept of fairness does exist in the minds of people, although each person may have a different idea of what is fair.
 
There are two types of fairness, lets call them Macro and Micro - it's easier to talk about unfairness than fairness as it's generally only when something is unfair that people complain.

Micro unfairness typically comes to the fore in a situation where both parties start at situation A, both have equal opportunities and make the same decisions but one party profits, sometimes to the detriment of the other party and usually due to external factors. The party that did not benefit from this situation will deem it unfair - however the party that did will argue that given equal opportunities were available to both parties the situation was entirely fair.

Macro unfairness is illustrated by a situational benefit that one cannot change - ie. you are born into royalty, no matter what I do, or how suitable for the job I may be I will never be King of England.

Something is deemed unfair if it impedes a persons progress to a goal which they think they are deserving of. Whether it is unfair is actually inconsequential - in this way "fairness" and "luck" have a lot in common. Ie. you may have a terrible car crash and survive. It is lucky you survived, it is unlucky your car is written off. Depending on the importance you place on both these factors will influence whether you perceive the event as a lucky or unlucky event.
 
Oi ! from a 'she' point of view, I hope you're all joking.



Fairness is finding a balance.

It needs work, it's not self standing, or self creating, it needs co-operation. Otherwise it's just exploitation.

I like Mountainm's explanation :)

cheers,
M
 
you're born, you live a few years then, if you're lucky, you die.

That's as fair as life gets.

With thanks to Edward Elizabeth Hitler for the above joke.
 
Saw an episode of American Pickers t'other day where they picked some circus art signs off a nice fella for a couple of hundred bucks. They then sold them for $10,000 and promptly went back to the fella and split their profit with him 50/50 as the genuine guy had a run of bad luck.

Can't say fairer than that.

Fairness does exist.

Steve.
 
Macro unfairness is illustrated by a situational benefit that one cannot change - ie. you are born into royalty, no matter what I do, or how suitable for the job I may be I will never be King of England.
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However this is clearly untrue in that someone became King originally. So a given sequence of activity CAN result (or perhaps DID) result in a new King. So the rank is inherited - is this less fair than inheriting intelligence, looks or money?
 
However this is clearly untrue in that someone became King originally. So a given sequence of activity CAN result (or perhaps DID) result in a new King. So the rank is inherited - is this less fair than inheriting intelligence, looks or money?

I think perhaps you are illustrating my point, but as I am unsure of your point I'm afraid you have me at an unfair advantage.
 
wouldnt it have been fairer to just tell the guy the signs were worth a lot, than sell them and take $5000 commission?

The pickers knew they were worth more than what they paid but exactly how much they were unsure. They then took the signs to a sign bloke and were gobsmacked to learn the two signs were worth $5000 each.

The pickers do this for a living so how would driving hundreds of miles to the seller, finding the signs under piles of rubbish, paying several hundred bucks on a hunch, driving to an appraiser, then finding a buyer, then driving hundreds of miles back to the original sign seller to hand over half the profit be fair if they did it for nowt?
 

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