Derma-Safe: Folding Utility Knife

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Derma-Safe Folding Utility Knife

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http://www.derma-safe.com/folding-utility-knife.htm

The Derma-Safe Knife is a light to medium duty cutting tool. The Folding Utility Knife is a pocket size carton opener, hobby knife, detailers tool, carving instrument, electricians tool and of course, survival knife.

This folding razor knife is approved for military use and is issued NSN 6515-01-363-1212. It is manufactured under MilSpec MIL-R-365408, thus making it a very high quality item. Don't be fooled by the Folding Utility Knife's low price.


Because It weighs less than 8 grams with a closed length of less then 3 inches, the Derma Safe Knife is a perfect knife for small survival kits think tobacco survival tin size, emergency fishing kits or emergency medical kits. (...)

  • super sharp three bevel, hollow ground, shaving quality stainless steel razor blade

  • plated steel rib to secure blade

  • medium impact plastic handle

Quote from: http://www.bestglide.com/utility_razor_knife.html, underline & italics by me ;)
They also do a saw ...

Anyone got any experience with these?
 

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bikething said:
there was this thread on BB a while ago...
http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23172
looks like the same thing :)

Cheers for the link Bikething!
Had a looksy on BB with no joy - as the name D-S isn't used :D

Off to PM Pyro (who had the same idea on where to put these little sharp friends :p)

EDIT: Got a reply from Pyro - he no longer has these blades available.
 

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these little knifes are indeed issued in some U.S. military survival kits...and are a great little item of kit.. :) ..i have one in my modified survival tin.....vince g. 11b inf..
 

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um it looks exactly like a surgical prep razor, in fact I think it is a surgical prep razor.

which means that its not really designed for carving etc and will have a relitivly fragile edge
 

addyb

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That's very true, Stuart. I've seen the before on numerous websites selling "survival gear." It wouldn't useful for a whole lot because it's just a razor blade. Still, it could be useful for say, slicing open a fish or cutting para-cord in a survival situation.

Adam
 

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I completely agree with you Stuart, and I don't plan to use it for carving etc. Just for what Addyb mentioned: slicing open a fish, cutting paracord, etc. if I have to and haven't got a proper knife (no longer) with me.

Got inspired by your 'Survival is all about a cup of tea' thread' and a thread by survival kits (and their contents) by Basemetal, back over on BB.
http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13189

This blade just gives some more grip, as opposed to a simple razorblade - it doesn't take up a massive amount of space in the BCB tin (which has no: fishing kit, button compass, wire saw, sewing kit in it, but tea & sugar sachets, esbit, matches, lighter, fire flash, signal mirror, whistle and some other bits 'n bobs); and it's not very expensive (though for the use I have it intended, effective enough).

Of course, if you have an alternative / better idea, I'm more than willing to listen and learn :D
 

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Ahjno said:
I completely agree with you Stuart, and I don't plan to use it for carving etc. Just for what Addyb mentioned: slicing open a fish, cutting paracord, etc. if I have to and haven't got a proper knife (no longer) with me.

Got inspired by your 'Survival is all about a cup of tea' thread' and a thread by survival kits (and their contents) by Basemetal, back over on BB.
http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13189

This blade just gives some more grip, as opposed to a simple razorblade - it doesn't take up a massive amount of space in the BCB tin (which has no: fishing kit, button compass, wire saw, sewing kit in it, but tea & sugar sachets, esbit, matches, lighter, fire flash, signal mirror, whistle and some other bits 'n bobs); and it's not very expensive (though for the use I have it intended, effective enough).

Of course, if you have an alternative / better idea, I'm more than willing to listen and learn :D

if the intention is to use it in a survival tin context, then it can only be an improvement over the simple razor or scalpel blade that’s for sure.

I am not a fan of survival tins though, I used to have access to every mini survival kit gadget there is and endless time to see how many of them could be stuffed into a tin and how effective they really where.

As you can imagine I used to have a truly fabulous survival tin, but even with the finest mini components in the world I slowly discovered that many weren’t really effective enough to be depended upon in real world conditions.

I also found that even though the tobacco tin size kit was pocket sized is still often ended up getting left behind, but it did help me 'survive'...... just not the way it was intended, i came off a motor bike on a gravel road, after i had stopped sliding and wriggled out from under the bike i found a huge hole in the thigh of my trousers but I discovered much to my relief i had been sliding on the tin (which left a lovely rectangular bruise) and it had protected my leg, this pretty much destroyed the tin and prompted me come up with a better setup.

so I went though what I was carrying to decide carefully what was gimmicky and what was really useful (for example take a wiresaw and a surgical prep razor into the woods on a freezing wet day and see what you can achieve)

The final result was a set up I have taken to referring to as the "PLAN A, Plan B" setup.

Plan A

you carry your normal kit for the environment, which at the absolute minimum (and with you at all times) is proper clothing, a good fixed blade and water + a small belt pouch containing a 800ml metal mug with lid and bail arm, packed with a good brew kit, hexamine blocks and a bic lighter in a zip seal bag.

this is used in the manner described in "Survival is all about a good cup of tea"

Universal plan B

The Universal Plan B if for when things have all gone to hell in a hand basket, it’s usually the result of you doing something really stupid.

an example would be hopping out of your hammock in the dead of the night for a wee. trudging off into the darkness to find a good spot and forgetting that you (stupidly) camped next to a gully, which you suddenly remember as you slide 200m though the mud arms flailing and end up bewildered scratched and bruised in a river with no way of getting back up the gully and nothing but a t-shirt, a pair of trousers and one flip flop :eek:

The universal plan B must be small enough to be worn around the neck and stay with you even when you sleep or are for what ever reason, naked.

my universal plan B looks like this:

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A leatherman charge and a waterproof K&M matchcase containing the following:

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1. 3 compressed silicone/petroleum impregnated cotton tinder bundles each burns for about a minute and light from a spark even when wet (they come from the US airforce firelighting kit, manufactured under the name tinderquick by fourseasons survival)

2. 12 varnished strike anywhere matches

3. 7+ meters of bright yellow 30lb breaking strain Kevlar line, for sewing and tying stuff

4. glow in the dark whistle, acme tornado model

5. yellow Ritter photon LED torch, waterproof, very bright, you dont have to hold the button down to keep it on, has a strobe setting

6. Sunnto button compass

7. leather needle

8. candle (light 1 match, then light the candle, use the candle to light the fire)

9. fire steel

10. jigsaw blade for striking the fire steel, (I use the flat edge, the other edge being a saw is incidental but possible useful)

11. potassium permanganate which can be used for antiseptic, water purification, anti fungal, fire etc. But I carry it here purely for water purification, it takes 3 crystals to purify 1lt of water, I calculate that this tube contains enough to easily purify 200lt+

12. Rubber cap, protects the compass and makes a good fire lighter when lit

13. Two ceramic sharpening rods 1 medium, 1 fine. These seem gimmicky at first but you can sharpen a blade to a razor edge in minutes with these, this combined with the fact that after a days hard use your knife will have lost its edge and thus its effectiveness, earn these a place in my kit.

14. A pencil lead, large size from a technical drawing pencil. (it fits in the space between the matches so why not?)

15. Some paper money, some people just wont help unless you have cash, £ and $ are accepted by people the world over, but $ are smaller and easier to pack. I only have a $1 note available for the picture, but it would usually be a $10 note.

If you have any questions about why certain things are included or excluded please ask.
 

addyb

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Stuart that's a great looking kit. I found my digital camera and I think I might go and post some photos of my pocket tin if I can remember my password to photbucket. The neatest thing about personal survival tins is that hey, they're built and designed for the individual's requirments. I spent probably two weeks on mine adding items and throwing items out. But then again I'm nuts!

Adam
 

addyb

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Alright, I took a small photo of my pocket survival tin. Forgive the grains, it's a cheap camera. As for the items, I've enclosed a list of the contents below the image. Lastly, the items I chose reflect my personal preference for what I think needs to be in a pocket survival tin. Will I ever have to use these items? Probably not, but they go with me everytime I go out...just in case.

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1) Beverage bag from a CF survival ration pack. It holds about 500mls of water, and hot water won't ruin it. It's made of plastic coated foil and is very useful. I've got a few of them kicking around here.

2) Small Bic lighter. If it runs out of fuel, I can still spark tinder with the flint.

3) Few feet of wire for a small snare or perhaps holding some broken kit together.

4) Small tweezers. Self explanatory.

5) Needle and Thread.

6) CF aircrew survival candy. It has about 1000 calories to it and comes in a small box with six such candies. Each box is supposed to be for 48 hours. I've got three complete boxes laying around and they basically have an unlimited shelf life.

7) Couple aspirin wrapped up in tape.

8) Cordage. I can't remember how many feet, but quite a few.

9) Large razor blade. Probably not as good as the folding razor mentioned in this thread, but definately a close second.

10) Small flashlight.

11) Button compass.

12) Vaseline soaked cotton balls.

13) Two fish hooks wrapped and taped.

14) Waterproofed matches wrapped in sandpaper.

15) Book of regular matches. I think three sources of flame is enough for a basic kit.

All this is packaged into a small tin. After everything is in, I fill any small spaces with cotton balls to prevent the items banging against one another. And then the whole thing is sealed with good tape.

Adam
 

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Buckshot said:
Ah I see,
Is that special posh fishing line or cord?

its a posh kevlar fly fishing line, Chris supplied it.

its bright yellow so its easy to work with in low light, its 35lb breaking strain and its thin enough to sew with, whilst being strong enough to lash things etc
 

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