Childhood 'want' fulfilled at last.

JonathanD

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Hey Jonathan,

That's a lovely bit of nostalgia, and a great keepsake to remind you of a formative time in your life. The back-drop information on model and version history is interesting too. Thanks for sharing.

Best

Paul

Hehe, yeah, it was certainly a great time. That knife led me to the Wilky, which led me to SWAT mag and eventually bushcraft. Bushcraft led me to Ray Mears, who, as we all know weirdly designed the Wilky, and Ray led me to the Woodlore knife and further into bushcraft which led back to this hugely inappropriate knife again.

What kind of stone was supplied with the originals?
My knives have brass rod eze-lap type sharpeners rather than the squarish looking one on the above sheaths.

The stone in the Jim Buffaloe First Blood movie sheath had a double grit Arkansa stone in the pocket. The Eze Lap sharpeners were on the Rambo 2 knife designed by Lile once again. This time he also supplied the sheath for the second movie along with insert for the sharpener....

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You're in esteemed company Jonathon - anyone else see the knife Karl Pilkington was using on the desert island in the first episode on an idiot abroad 2?

Yeah, I noticed he had a copy of one. Bad copy though.

Great stuff Jonathan, I also have one and a Rambo the mission, will take a picture.
Kindred spirits mate!!!

Cool. I'm tempted by the Mission as it was a very iconic Lile/movie knife. But it turned JJR into a cartoon superhero. Typical of Eighties action heroes. I liked the ground grittiness of FB. It just got daft after that, although the latest one was a fitting tribute to the original character and message.
 

JonathanD

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I only saw a Stanley knife when they were building the lean-to

I wouldn't have noticed it if I hadn't of read this thread first. It gets about two seconds of screen time as he chops stuff the following morning. It's also stuck in the ground at one point. It's a custom US made version in the style of Liles knives, but not really a replica.
 

bb07

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Hehe, yeah, it was certainly a great time. That knife led me to the Wilky, which led me to SWAT mag and eventually bushcraft. Bushcraft led me to Ray Mears, who, as we all know weirdly designed the Wilky, and Ray led me to the Woodlore knife and further into bushcraft which led back to this hugely inappropriate knife again.

Ah yes, but it is sharp and shiny!:D
 

Claudiasboris

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Thanks for posting, that took me back. We're of a similar age: First Blood, SWAT, Aitor and Marco Polo were also part of my upbringing. I was into the '80s survivalism but grew to avoid it as I got more involved in the outdoors professionally and I managed to miss out on the growth of bushcraft in its first few years.

It was interesting to hear about your dad too, thanks for sharing.

Great score on the Lile! Lots of jealousy here.

Claudiasboris
 

Raven1973

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Long time coming this one. A few of us 'oldies' were immediately taken by the romance of wild living and surviving in the woods after watching First Blood way back in 1982 and I always wanted one of those Jimmy Lile survival knives. From then on, I immersed myself in Survival Weoponry and Techniques magazine every month and coveted my Lofy Wiseman books while drooling over such sharp things as the Buckmaster, Randall, Lile, Wilky survival and less well made tat like the Aitor Explorer and Marco Polo knives.

Back in the early nineties I managed to get a Lile Sly II. Not a 100% accurate representation of the movie knife. But as close as possible without spending many thousands of $$$$ as Jimmy only made 13 of those originals, and Sly had 6 which got used in the film. A further 87 were made available to punters, but lacked 100% accuracy and only had 12 saw teeth as opposed to the 14 the screen accurate ones had. He made a thousand or so SLY II's before passing away in May 1991.

SLY II...

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Stupidly, I sold the Lile a few years back. But it wasn't screen accurate, which I really wanted. I used to be a huge screen used prop collector as my father has worked as an armourer on many films including all of the Bonds from Dr No, and many other big productions like Star Wars, the Mission Impossibles and the Nolan Batman films to name a few. I've had some amazing props from those films including Daniel Craigs Walther and silencer, which I still have. The original Rambo knife was always the one that got away, and even a decent copy was impossible to get.

JIMMY LILE FB ORIGINAL #8 of 13...

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United Cutlery made replicas of the Rambo knives in the mid 90's which were OK, and more recently Master Cutlery are making them, but they are far from accurate, and are made for display purposes only from very poor steel.

MASTER CUTLERY'S VERSION...

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Recently, a few custom makers (Ray Matton, Farid and Britt Gudowski) started to make reasonably accurate copies of those 13 original movie knives at a cost much lower than any Lile. Unlike the United Cutlery and Master Cutlery versions, they were made from good steels like the originals (D2 and 01). And they were made to be used too, with the original methods of construction exactly the same as Liles. Not so long back Britt Gudowski of BlackStarr knives, updated his version to be more accurate to the screen used blades, and also made it in CPM154. I was offered one and couldn't pass it over, even though I tried.

To complete the package, I commissioned a US sheath maker to make me a screen accurate sheath, complete and left handed like the original. Not even Jimmy Lile's knives came with a screen accurate sheath with that arkansas stone pouch on the front - all the screen used ones were custom made for Sly by Jim Buffalo and not Lile. So I had to get one of those and it completes the screen accrate look along with the added thongs and lanyards. It really is a daft knife, and I'll never use it for serious outdoors use. But it is a great keepsake of a film prop I longed for as a blossoming teenager. As it was also that film and that knife that led me down the path to find bushcraft, which is such a major part of my life and job, it is an excellent momento too.

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Hi Johanthan, Britt makes a very good knife thats for sure. This is my Ray Matton FB knife. :)

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Raven1973

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Britt's a great guy, and makes some really good knives thats for sure. Here is my Ray Matton First Blood knife.


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bojit

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Thanks for that Jonathan , a real trip down memory lane . First blood has to be my all time favorite Stallone film and that knife is an absolute beaut or is that brute !

Craig.............
 

Raven1973

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Thanks...the irony is that none of the tribute knives are 100% accurate, but when you get to our age (30 something) you dont mind compromising, plus limited funds is a big factor for most of us too. I basically have what I have always hankered for, a First Blood knife, and now a Gil Hibben Rambo 3, Gil is a living legend, and you wouldnt have thought that the guy just made me my knife a few weeks back, and is 76 years young...hell, I will be happy if I can pee and poop on my own without the aid of a bag by then. Gil could work me under the table any day of the week.

[video=youtube;bAYzvQPDgpY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAYzvQPDgpY[/video]

I couldnt believe my luck when I went to Hope BC (Where they shot a lot of First Blood) to help my friends Scott Hardy and Herve Attia make part 4 of Herve's On The Set Of First Blood filming location video (which can be seen on youtube). Scott took his Matton First Blood knife, and stuck it into the same wooden sleeper as Stallone did some 30 years prior. The junkyard location had been lost since 82 when the film was released, and it was the hard work of Scott Hardy that found it. It was kinda scary, we could hear bears neaby crashing about on the mountain where the junkyard was, and we had to cross some dangerous wilderness to get there, on the edge of 100 feet drops and so on, but it was well worth it. :)

Warning, there is some theatrical violence in this documentary, sorry to the Mods if this is not allowed, as I am unsure of the rules. I am the guy on the rock with the fake blood on my face, and I am the guy who jumps up and runs off with the fern on my back. lol

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Here are some original Liles and Hibbens, being compared with my Matton and United knives. The original Liles and Hibbens belong to my good friend Andy Wood. Enjoy my videos. Sorry for my crap camera quality.

First Blood

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Rambo First Blood Part 2

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Rambo 3

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Rambo 4

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Raven1973

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Here is Scott's Matton in the sleeper at the junkyard.

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This is my first trip to the junkyard, you will have to forgive my excitement, but I felt like that 8 year old all over again when I first saw First Blood back in 82. :)

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Here is the opening scene location, which was also lost for nearly 30 years. There is a lot of bear activity in this location.

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And here is the tree, where the widow is hanging her washing on the line.

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