Carrying petrol and meths
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I have a small plastic bottle that fits inside the box when you close it up which contains the meths for preheating I think its an old tablet bottle. Alternatively, you could just use the petrol/coleman fuel/white gas that you use for main fuel to preheat but it makes a lot of soot.
As for carrying petrol a sig rip off would work, I have a trangia meths bottle thats i use for white gas, it has a spring loaded valve that controls the flow it also has a nozzle that makes filling much easier on a 99.
One other thing you can do to reduce mess if you go the petrol preheat route is to take a piece of fiberglass rope for sealing wood stove doors and with a piece of copper wire attach it inside the preheating cup, it will reduce spilling.
Another thing worth noting is if you use it on snow, because the fuel tank is somewhat remote and lies directly on the aluminium bottom it can sometime cool quickly enough to loose pressure and this will affect performance. To reduce any losses make a windshield out of one of those thick aluminium take away food containers so you can fold it in to the closed box when not in use. Stand the stove on a log or find some other way to isolate it from the cold surface to preserve the temperature in the fuel tank.
As for carrying petrol a sig rip off would work, I have a trangia meths bottle thats i use for white gas, it has a spring loaded valve that controls the flow it also has a nozzle that makes filling much easier on a 99.
One other thing you can do to reduce mess if you go the petrol preheat route is to take a piece of fiberglass rope for sealing wood stove doors and with a piece of copper wire attach it inside the preheating cup, it will reduce spilling.
Another thing worth noting is if you use it on snow, because the fuel tank is somewhat remote and lies directly on the aluminium bottom it can sometime cool quickly enough to loose pressure and this will affect performance. To reduce any losses make a windshield out of one of those thick aluminium take away food containers so you can fold it in to the closed box when not in use. Stand the stove on a log or find some other way to isolate it from the cold surface to preserve the temperature in the fuel tank.
Depends on how much you carry,i use an empty mouthwash bottle,small or large, again depending on how much i use.
Thoroughly recommend the Trangia bottle.
Not only does it have a narrow spout, it only pours when the top is depressed against its spring. It shuts off when you let go or drop it. It won’t leak upside down in your pack; s as well as the press to release function the whole nozzle locks shut with a screw cap. I have two.
That said I only use Meths. A friend on another site gave me a Tilly lamp with an adapted jet so that it too burns meths and I only carry the one fuel. (The KK doesn’t count of course even though I’ll use meths to kick it off in a bad day
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Not only does it have a narrow spout, it only pours when the top is depressed against its spring. It shuts off when you let go or drop it. It won’t leak upside down in your pack; s as well as the press to release function the whole nozzle locks shut with a screw cap. I have two.
That said I only use Meths. A friend on another site gave me a Tilly lamp with an adapted jet so that it too burns meths and I only carry the one fuel. (The KK doesn’t count of course even though I’ll use meths to kick it off in a bad day
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I use the Trangia fuel bottles, I bought them from Go outdoors. They are red and labelled so there is no mistaking them. I use one for paraffin and one for meths.
One tip that I always do now is to depress the valve with the bottle vertical, prior to pouring. I do this since one time when I had used the bottle outside in winter and I brought the bottle inside. Some time after, I proceeded to fill my pressure lamp in the kitchen and due to an increase in pressure as the bottle had warmed up, the fuel squirted out of both spouts and made a bit of a mess.
I think they are great, but I do have one complaint. No matter how lightly I'm comfortable with tightening up the valve after filling, they're always an absolute nightmare to get back off again. As in, I usually have to stick the valve end in a vice and then I'm always afraid of breaking it.
One tip that I always do now is to depress the valve with the bottle vertical, prior to pouring. I do this since one time when I had used the bottle outside in winter and I brought the bottle inside. Some time after, I proceeded to fill my pressure lamp in the kitchen and due to an increase in pressure as the bottle had warmed up, the fuel squirted out of both spouts and made a bit of a mess.
I think they are great, but I do have one complaint. No matter how lightly I'm comfortable with tightening up the valve after filling, they're always an absolute nightmare to get back off again. As in, I usually have to stick the valve end in a vice and then I'm always afraid of breaking it.
I am constantly having problems remembering who calls which fuel what. I think these early Swedish stoves were designed to use the so called "lamp oil" that is a somewhat refined version (does not smell much when burning) of "motor petrol" which again is lighter than diesel.
It used to be Petrol/Gasoline without all the additives but Colman Fuel and White Gas now have their own additives to "reduce corrosion and improve burn".
From a trekking point of view, I always chose stoves that ran on my main vehicle fuel - so diesel or petrol (or, on some stoves, both) - if they needed cleaning out when I got back (due to soot etc.) that was fine. I never took a separate 'primer' fuel (more faff) - but either used the burning fuel or, occasionally, a burning gel. I'd be happy running a 99 on petrol but would service it more often. Sadly, I don't have one anymore
From a trekking point of view, I always chose stoves that ran on my main vehicle fuel - so diesel or petrol (or, on some stoves, both) - if they needed cleaning out when I got back (due to soot etc.) that was fine. I never took a separate 'primer' fuel (more faff) - but either used the burning fuel or, occasionally, a burning gel. I'd be happy running a 99 on petrol but would service it more often. Sadly, I don't have one anymore
I have only recently discovered that the term “petrol” as used in the UK Is a misnomer. What Americans call gasoline is apparently more correctly called “petroleum spirit”. The term Petrol in continental Europe and beyond refers to kerosene = UK paraffin.
I’m confused. I guess the solution is to read the original instructions in the language of the user.
I heat my house with kerosene but am advised that I shouldn’t use it as lamp oil. Lamp oil is a cleaner version of my kerosene/heating oil. I hear that some of you guys can get hold of aviation fuel - another clean version of kerosene/paraffin.
Not my problem! I only use meths, (purple potion) whatever that is. It suits my simple mind to have one liquid fuel.
@Tengu. Sorry if I’m preaching to the converted but do practice using any new equipment under as close to field conditions as you can and before you leave.
When are you off?
I’m confused. I guess the solution is to read the original instructions in the language of the user.
I heat my house with kerosene but am advised that I shouldn’t use it as lamp oil. Lamp oil is a cleaner version of my kerosene/heating oil. I hear that some of you guys can get hold of aviation fuel - another clean version of kerosene/paraffin.
Not my problem! I only use meths, (purple potion) whatever that is. It suits my simple mind to have one liquid fuel.
@Tengu. Sorry if I’m preaching to the converted but do practice using any new equipment under as close to field conditions as you can and before you leave.
When are you off?
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A fuel friend is probably your best bet. I used to use one of these for Coleman lanterns before aspen 4 was available in smaller quantities.
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I use one of these for meths, pretty cheap and I haven't ever had one leak
I’ve got several of those little white Swedish “Trangia” bottles if anyone wants one. Some are embossed and some have a label.
I put a pile of stuff inside my M40 stove and have no room for the fuel bottle. They only hold a couple of fills anyway - hence my 1L bottle.
In general I wouldn’t put fuel into anything but a fuel bottle.
I put a pile of stuff inside my M40 stove and have no room for the fuel bottle. They only hold a couple of fills anyway - hence my 1L bottle.
In general I wouldn’t put fuel into anything but a fuel bottle.
It's even more confusing than that - the word Gazolene was trademarked by John Cassell who was British. It was originally Cazellene.
I am happy using 28 Kerosene, paraffin, or diesel in lamps if needs must. I am also happy to run my diesel generator on 28s Oil - it's even legal
(I do add a little two-stroke oil to it though).
