Carrying knives to the woods - knife license...inevitably rambling onto American gun stuff

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santaman2000

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Always thought it was unfair that you could do those jobs however had to wait to 21 to drink.


18, we keep having conversations about lowering it to 16.
I have mixed feelings on that (The drinking age) During the Vietnam War that very argument was brought up and the drinking age was lowered but exactly what was dependent on the individual states. Typically 18 was legal for beer while wine and spirits varied from state to state. But the way, that was when I reached legal drinking age of 18 so I was all for it. It stayed that way for several decades and was only raised again due to the climbing rates of traffic accidents and university fatalities (alcohol poisoning) Even now it’a really up to the individual states—sort of. Any state is free to lower it but if they do they’ll lose their federal Highway funding.
 

Minotaur

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everything i took to work were in a sealed case and in my truck which is legal to do
To and from work was no problem, it was the safes at home that were the problem. You want to be careful because I am sure a few people here have pointed out situations were if you have a detour in your journey your reason no longer applies.
He would have had to have his loft reinforced to have a gun safe there because it was the only place in the house that fit the requirements. Then there was a big problem with the ammo safe as well.
 

Broch

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To and from work was no problem, it was the safes at home that were the problem. You want to be careful because I am sure a few people here have pointed out situations were if you have a detour in your journey your reason no longer applies.
He would have had to have his loft reinforced to have a gun safe there because it was the only place in the house that fit the requirements. Then there was a big problem with the ammo safe as well.

Sorry Minotaur, but is this all what your mate said? because there's a fair bit in there that doesn't add up if I'm honest. I have had a full ticket with a gun cabinet secured to a roof main beam. I've never been required to have an 'ammo safe' either (whatever that is). The rules do keep changing subtly and no one tells you unless you ask - for example the old gun safes with external hinges are no longer acceptable here (and I only found that out when the local firearms officer came to inspect :)).
 
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Buckshot

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I assume the 'ammo safe' reference is the requirement to have FAC ammo stored under separate lock and key to the guns themselves. This has been a requirement for many years. I've had an FAC for 35 years and have always needed to do this. I assume this is a national requirement?
there is no similar requirement under SGC rules.
 
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Broch

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I assume the 'ammo safe' reference is the requirement to have FAC ammo stored under separate lock and key to the guns themselves. This has been a requirement for many years. I've had an FAC for 35 years and have always needed to do this. I assume this is a national requirement?
there is no similar requirement under SGC rules.

I assumed that as well but the requirement isn't for a 'safe' and I can't see why that would be an issue for anyone; it's not particularly onerous.

Anyway, we'd better get off the subject of guns quickly! :)
 
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Minotaur

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Sorry Minotaur, but is this all what your mate said? because there's a fair bit in there that doesn't add up if I'm honest. I have had a full ticket with a gun cabinet secured to a roof main beam.
Normal semi so nothing to attach something as heavy as a safe to. As someone who has had to site safes for work in concrete and steel buildings you do have to be really careful were you site them due to the damage they will cause over time. People think a loft is a floor and a lot of times the beams are not as strong and you would have to reinforce a floor before putting a safe on it anyway.

I've never been required to have an 'ammo safe' either (whatever that is).
Yes, you are all right it is just separating the storage and not a safe however with grand kids in the house it would have been a locking container which had to be sited somewhere sensible which was not as easy as you might think.

I do think this is actually on point for this conversation, if you have a licence you will have to securely store the items and that is not as simple as you think. You have to have 2 locked doors between your knife safe and the outside for a start.

Why is it when I mention guns I can spark a conversation however when I try to get a conversation going about legal protection and campaigning as a group everyone ignores me?
 
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henchy3rd

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Deadly accurate? Maybe you can tell that to my catapult. It doesn't generally listen to me! :rolleyes:

Concealability is variable. A Barnett Diablo Pro is anything but pocketable. I do know what you mean though.

As a teen my friend and I had Black Widow catapults. Themselves not all that pocketable. We got some ball bearings and thought to try them for hunting in the area we had permission to shoot over with our air rifles. I remember I managed to hit a pigeon, and it just flew away without missing a wing beat.

I think that illustrates why catapults are not up there with knives for causing problems. They take practice to use and taking the time to learn doesn't appeal to the most trouble some members of society. They also do not have the intrinsic "cool" factor for idiots of gun shaped things.
That old chestnut .. blame the tool!
A Diablo pro with the correct rubbers,10-12mm steel bearings & a couple of day’s practice, you’ll be hitting things the size of a ping pong ball up to 60’
Instant dispatch up-to 40’ for meat on the plate.
It’s my go to method over my Air arms TX200 carbine & now sadly sold Walther RM8.
I think it’s a school boy thing I’ve never grin out off
 
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C_Claycomb

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I don't have a diabol pro, just commenting on it as bulky.

I was rather joking about my catapult. I don't blame it, even though I made it myself. I have watched video of people with kit not significantly different from mine achieving great accuracy. However, it is a perishable skill and while I have practiced at times to be better than I am now, I have not and indeed would struggle to keep up the level of practice needed to maintain accuracy. No different from archery.
 

TeeDee

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That old chestnut .. blame the tool!
A Diablo pro with the correct rubbers,10-12mm steel bearings & a couple of day’s practice, you’ll be hitting things the size of a ping pong ball up to 60’
Instant dispatch up-to 40’ for meat on the plate.
It’s my go to method over my Air arms TX200 carbine & now sadly sold Walther RM8.
I think it’s a school boy thing I’ve never grin out off

60' ???

Really?
 

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