Bushcraft shifting focus?

torjusg

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On this forum I have lately (late 2006 and 2007) made two observations:
1. Less knives and kit, more posts on making things from scratch.
2. Fewer posts.

I don't know whether my observations are correct, but if they are I have two hypothesis on why this is:
1. Regular camping bushcraft and kit orientation is becoming out of fashion. To me it seems that Ray Mears is increasingly moving away from the kit-oriented bushcraft towards primitive skills. Maybe this is a driver.
2. The overall interest in bushcraft is in decline. It is moving into the ranks of the skateboard/snowboard hype etc... In other words, it is getting old.

Of course it may be that the interest of this forum is in decline or my basic assumptions may be wrong. :confused:

What do you think?
 

backwoodsman

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maybe its because , people have the kit now, theres only so much you can get,
and now they have the kit they are old there doing it, no power points for the internet in the sticks. :lmao:
 

British Red

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torus,

I think there is something else - some topics have been "done" now and, rather than have long chats about kit etc. people can just look up what they want to know on the boards. That tends to leave room for more "look what I did" rather than "look what I bought" posts.

I do like seeing our members involved in "design and make" stuff - e.g. the underblanket. It gives a real insight into how and why a tool should have its form. This can be making your own knife, adapting a can into a Billy or designing a garment. I find this a positive step on the forum

Red
 

fredcraft

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British Red said:
torus,

I think there is something else - some topics have been "done" now and, rather than have long chats about kit etc. people can just look up what they want to know on the boards. That tends to leave room for more "look what I did" rather than "look what I bought" posts.

I do like seeing our members involved in "design and make" stuff - e.g. the underblanket. It gives a real insight into how and why a tool should have its form. This can be making your own knife, adapting a can into a Billy or designing a garment. I find this a positive step on the forum

Red

Indeed. Praise the "Search" functionnality :approve: ! Everytime I wonder about something bushcrafty, there is at least 3-4 threads that I can lookup with already loads of informations concerning it.

Good day,
 

Klenchblaize

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Perhaps contributors are starting consider a little more carefully what they post and for a number of reasons. Such might, on the one hand, be due to a fear of being ridiculed for not having the perceived and correct approach to any given subject. On the other hand they may be becoming increasingly confused as to what is acceptable to post and what is not.

With regard to the drop-off of kit related items there really is only so many column inches even I can take when discussing the merits or otherwise of ventile and wool clothing so perhaps we’ve simply covered everything. An example being I finally took delivery of a Maxpidition Proteus Versa Pack on Saturday but I cannot think of anything new to say about it.

Cheers
 

Butchd

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As a newcomer to the forums I've noticed a to me suprising number of knife threads running, though they do tend to be the DIY ones. If there were more in the past then I can only say that I'm glad I didn't have to endure them! Craft is one thing, but I rate skill of use higher than a competion on who can spend the most on kit. I'm pleased to see the make from scratch running at a high interest level since to me, Ray aside, this and kit customisation is a natural and almost inevitable part of bushcraft.
 

torjusg

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So concensus so far seems to be that there are two things that has happened:
1. Most kit has already been bought.
2. Most subjects have been covered.

Tony could probably confirm whether or not there are less posts and/or unique visitors here now, compared to what it used to be.

If there aren't fewer, that would make it likely that bushcraft still is equally (or more) popular. Otherwise, it could still be the site or other factors.

A little nerdy of me probably, but I think such dynamics are interesting. Not only do I think there is an increase in DIY in general, which is lovely, but also to primitive skills (which some of you probably know is close to my heart).
 

spamel

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If you look through all of the kit threads, you will see they have been discussed in depth. I think there is still room for discussion on a lot of kit though. If we all got together and laid our kit out, you'd see similarities and differences. Maybe a lot of moras and army ponchos, zebra billy cans in various diameters and ferro rods galore.

Shift to sleeping kit, you may get issue sleeping bags, civilian down or man made hollow fibre fill, woolen blankets. Cooking wise, Swedish Trangia, or the civvie variant, a number of different liquid fuel burning, after-burner type thingies. You may see a few LK35s or LK70s (I'm still after a 70 by the way ;) ), PLCE bergens or civilian packs. Some may not even use a bag and wrap everything up in their blanket and poncho.

Boots, jackets, trousers, UNDERPANTS (!), there are loads of things still to be covered but as became apparent a while back, folk are getting a bit sick of it all and want to read about skills and people getting out and about.

I'm happy to pick up any information that may benefit me, I'll even watch Bear Grylls!!
 

Nightwalker

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I agree that there has been a tremendous amount of information covered in previous threads and this community can be a very useful resource for knowledge with that handy search feature.

I know personally I've stopped asking more questions about kit because I have obtained a lot more since I joined here and I now know more about the remainding few little bits I need to get. This coming year Im now comfortable with my new home and job, which will leave me with plenty of time to get out more than ever. So I expect I'll be out practicing bushcraft more than ever and I suppose I'll be checking back to ask lots of questions on skills and techniques.
 

spamel

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That certainly is an achievement, I wish I could have been on BCUK from its' birth to see the growth in the community. I've seen it get a lot bigger since I joined and a few people have left which is always a shame, but for the most part the same people are here most nights and so I know there is always somebody I can come online for a bushcrafty chat with.
 

Grooveski

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Perhaps it's just a seasonal shift. While plenty of folk are keen on winter I'm sure plenty of others aren't.

I'm not. I'll go camping if I really feel like it or have some reason to but will readily admit that it doesn't happen anything like as often as during the warmer/lighter months.

Usually for me the winter is a time to cosy down at home and make things. Sometimes it's primitivy kinda things and sometimes not but I can guarantee that the decisions on what I'm making have nothing whatsoever to do with tv programs that I haven't seen;).
 

John Fenna

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I write about kit to earn my bread - I make kit for fun, and also to make my bread.
I would rather make something than buy (argh! spend money? nooooooo!) it if I can.
Not everyone can make so it is reasonable for them to buy but they need info so they get what they realy want - lots of info on the site these days, held in well chewed threads - ergo more making/I have made threads!
If the site is in decline how come I can't get on of an evening?
John
 

rich59

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I sometimes think that the majority of posts are by newer members. I wonder if doing bushcraft leads on to lots of new friends and interests and so one might use the main bushcraft resources less.

I wonder if the lack of "good person" points system might reduce some people's posts.

I wonder if the occ times that the board has been off line of late has had much effect.
 

sam_acw

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There has also been a definite trend towards doing for others. There seem to be more tutorials, people willing to show their own work as they go and willing to help in person. There has also been a trend towards a lot of goods being exchanged or given to help spread the gospel!

I like it.

I would love there to be a "Bushcraft Projects" book of things to attempt to make.
 

John Fenna

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Bushcraft Projects!.....I like it!
But how to set it up....some of the articles in the mag are a bit on that line....Ideas anyone?
John
 

Greg

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I find as a relative new comer to the bushcraft family that I would prefer to have a chat with other members about a certain subject rather than going looking for it with the search engine which is more in line with reading a book, I know subjects have been discussed in the past and these threads are available but isn't it better to have regular chats about various things to keep it fresh in the mind and not shelved in a dusty corner! I have always believed that it is easier to learn by talking to people about various subjects rather than reading about them on your own, and possibly misinterpreting the information.

At least by talking to the other members, especially new guys, you can go back to them straight away (if poss) to recap on things that you might have misunderstood.

But hey, what do I know I'm just a newbee!!:)
 

Greg

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sam_acw said:
There has also been a definite trend towards doing for others. There seem to be more tutorials, people willing to show their own work as they go and willing to help in person. There has also been a trend towards a lot of goods being exchanged or given to help spread the gospel!

I like it.

I would love there to be a "Bushcraft Projects" book of things to attempt to make.

I think the Bushcraft Projects idea is a very good one, and I certainly think this should be followed up!

Here are a few for starters:

1 - Improvise a Benghazi burner.
2 - Improvise and use fish hooks
3 - Test dried animal dung as a fuel.
4 - Make and use a stone headed axe.
5 - Make some form of footwear from old tyres or canvas
6 - Improvise a water filter
7 - Make and use a hammock (rather than buying one!)
8 - Cook an animal, fish or bird by improvised means.
9 - Improvise a raft from natural materials.
10 - Make a bed from natural materials and spend a night on it.
11 - Improvise or make an eating utensil.
12 - Test various methods of finding North and test it against a compass.
13 - Waterproof your own matches
14 - Construct a shelter using natural materials
15 - Dig a snowhole or a snow trench and spend a night in it. (Snow permitting)
16 - Improvise a wick and use natural animal fat as a fuel.
17 - Improvise a candle using natural materials.
18 - Try some natural foods.
19 - Make cordage from natural materials
20 - Try making a coat or other garment from sacking or other material.

That will do for now I'm sure I could come up with a few more but I will leave that to somebody else!:)
 

British Red

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sam_acw said:
I would love there to be a "Bushcraft Projects" book of things to attempt to make.

We write an E-book on the other forum that has a lot of "things to make and do" stuff in it - from recipes to projects. Trouble is it gets huge when it gets over a couple of hundred pages :(

Perhaps this is something for the "articles" section of this site....then you can just download the one you want...

Red
 

Mikey P

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Butchd said:
As a newcomer to the forums I've noticed a to me suprising number of knife threads running, though they do tend to be the DIY ones. If there were more in the past then I can only say that I'm glad I didn't have to endure them!

I would second that observation: considering that a knife is but one tool (albeit an important one) in a bushcrafter's toolbox, there are disproportionally large numbers of posts on the subject, and always at least a couple of pictures in the Gallery thumbs at the top of the page.

I would sincerely hope that we are moving away from a knife fixation that, frankly, borders on the unhealthy. I mean, how many do you need? (Answer: one or two). There was a poll on the number of knives people have and there were some with between 50 and 100 knives!!!

There is a link to the British Blades forum within Edged Tools and I wonder whether many of the more specialist posts should actually be on the BB site? Also, there seem to be a surprising number of knife-related posts in other forums, like Bushcraft Chatter. Do people not read the forum titles? They should be in Edged Tools and it just means that the Mods have to work harder to tidy up the forums. I can see there is a grey area with the DIY stuff - maybe we need some clarification?

In terms of DIY stuff in general, I would also say that there seem to be increasingly more 'Look What I've Done' compared to 'Look What I've Bought' posts. I have seen some incredible stuff that people have made, way beyond anything that I could do, and kudos to the guys and girls who can do this. I have also been heartened by the number of really simple and elegant solutions that people are posting - like the 'charcloth tube'. Fantastic! Does it get better than that? More of this please - and more of the eyecandy craft stuff (leatherwork, home-made clothing, cord/ropework, woodwork - but less spoons!).

The Search function is under-used and vastly under-rated. It's a great resource that I'm just as guilty of not using to its full potential. I wish that people would try the search function before posting something and it's getting tiring to see posts like: 'What's the Best Knife/Tarp/Rucksack/Sleeping Bag/Etc for Bushcraft?' when these have all been asked - and answered - before.

Greg has a point that it is always helpful to ask someone for a little more explanation on a subject once you've researched it, and there's no problem with this. But it seems pointless to go over the same thing again and again...and again...when the answers are available already.

I would also agree with the idea that many of the good articles whould be turned into 'tutorials' and more permanent records. How about some sort of Bushcraft Wiki (see Wikipedia)? The only issue with this is that it would be a lot more work for Tony to manage and so probably isn't practical. Do we need an e-book? We already have a tutorials section to the BCUK site.

So, in answer to torusg's comments (I was getting there, honest!), I think that there are slightly fewer posts on kit, etc, but people are asking generally better, more focused questions. People do seem to be advancing from the initial 'buy everything' stage to a 'make your own stuff' stage, probably because it's more satisfying. We are also seeing more pictures and posts on bushcraft meets and trips - there's certainly an increasing trend towards getting out more. I would disagree that interest is on the wane - if anything, I would say there's more than there ever was. Hooray! :D

Maybe Tony has some stats on the number of posts over time?
 

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