bush craft without a knife

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Tjurved

Nomad
Mar 13, 2009
439
3
Sweden
I made a little list on stuff you can do in bushcraft without a knife which do not require zen master flint knapping skills:
* Cordage like nettle cordage
* Birch bark stuff
* Collecting stuff, wild edibles, stones, dirt, firewood, tinder... you can make fire without a knife when carrying matches etc.
* Navigation
* Exploration
* Observation...
* Fysical training both strength and endurance
* Mental training, ID-stuff, patient...
* Fishing
* Netting
* Train on putting up your tent/tarp quick and eazy
 

Mr Cake

Forager
Jun 20, 2005
119
5
my house
Does anyone know how to work bone and antler? and is making knives out of flint very hard? doeos anyone know any good tutorials?

For starters visit the Paleplanet website especially the Stone Tool Woodworking section. Making biface knives from flint isn't easy and takes a lot of practice but you don't need to be able to make fancy knives to make stuff. For example:

http://naturallore.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/primitive-bone-knife/

http://homepage.mac.com/laddie/fire_by_friction.html

See also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoX8O615dvI&feature=youtube_gdata
 
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forestwalker

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Does anyone know how to work bone and antler?

I usually just do it the primitive way; score the bone where you want it to crack, then hit it with something. Abrade into shape against a handy rock (a file will work too). For sawing a hacksaw works pretty ok. Beware of the dust: it is Not Good For Your Lungs.

and is making knives out of flint very hard? doeos anyone know any good tutorials?

I think it will take a while to learn, but I think there are competent teachers in the UK. Lucky you who can get hold of the raw material.

Also does anyone know how to make big squares of cloth out of nettles to sew into clothes and bags etc.

Collect nettles, ret, comb, spin, weave, sew. I think others here are better on this kind of thing, but it is a major project if you want an actual garment. Start by making cordage, and fingerweave a tumpline?
 

hardr004

Forager
Jan 16, 2010
139
0
28
chichester
I have tryed flint knaping for the first time today. I got a fairly sharp edge but then i hit it and it all shattered. Does that normally happen?

If not what am i doing wrong?
 

Laurentius

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Aug 13, 2009
2,433
629
Knowhere
All raises interesting questions about primitive survival. I am certain that in the stone age not everybody could make axes and knap flints anymore than I suppose everybody could make fire from a fire bow. I would suppose just as in this modern age that there were specialists and that skills were traded for survival as they are today. I would even go so far as to suppose that certain "industries" such as flint knapping were a guarded secret much like the medieval guilds.

I don't think any one person ever did hold the whole repository of knowlege, now I am ready to be shot down in flames by hard facts from the archeologists and anthropologists cos that is just a bit of idle philosophising there.

As for knives, I guess I was lucky to live in an earlier era, where I could go out in my teens with a six inch bowie knife on my belt and nobody look on me any the worse for it, out in the country, cut yourself a staff from the hedge and that was what you did.
 

forestwalker

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
All raises interesting questions about primitive survival. I am certain that in the stone age not everybody could make axes and knap flints anymore than I suppose everybody could make fire from a fire bow. I would suppose just as in this modern age that there were specialists and that skills were traded for survival as they are today. I would even go so far as to suppose that certain "industries" such as flint knapping were a guarded secret much like the medieval guilds.

I think that there certainly were som skills that was not held by everyone. Just to take an example, I suspect that only a few could make the big Danish flint daggers. But producing a basic celt was probably something that most people (men? adult hunters?) could do. And even if a nice flint knife was beyond you producing and using small flakes is dead easy, and in many cultures was a fair portion of the cutting tools. And if you lived in slate country then even young children could produce okish knives from that.

My theory -- backed up by all that I've read -- is that most people (ignoring the high liklyhood of sexual task dimorphism) in the upper paleolithic could do the following tasks, at least good enough for practical use:

* basic lithic tools
* skin tanning
* cordage making
* shelter building
* starting a fire (even if some was easy experts and some would struggle; carrying and preserving fire was probably done
quite a lot)
* track (at least a bit)
* find edible plants (again, some would be experts, some would have only the basic skills)


Compare to today:

* drive a car (but not everyone is Schumacher)
* use a computer (but we have few guru level sysadmins or Knuth like programmers)
* cook a meal (but most are worse cooks than Jamie Oliver)
* mend a garment (but few that could find work on Savile Row)
* tell a Volkswagen Bug from a Porche 911, and a Saab from a Volvo; most could even look at at tyre track and tell
if it was made by a bicycle, a motorcycle, a car or a Bedford truck, but few can tell a New Holland tractor from a
John Deere by sound alone)
* program a VCR (but some will leave it blinking "12:00")

As to guilds; I suspect that there were trade secrets, and that certain skills were not passed along to everyone. But nothing as formalized as a guild; that takes a more organized and stratified society than is likely to form in smallish hunter-gatherer band (you might be the go-to man for top grade flint knives, bows baskets or arrows, but not the only source of stone tools, bows or arrows).
 

badgeringtim

Nomad
May 26, 2008
480
0
cambridge
just my tupeny worth - if you are going to use a knife i would go for something like a leatherman where the handles fold inwards so stop the blade folding on your hand. I know if you use a SAK propperly this shouldnt be a problem but it does seem to me to be asking for an unnesesairy risk. It all depends what you do with it though.
I reckon a bit of non sharps bushing would do most of us some good!
 

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