I would have thought it would have been colder in the UK as it's further from the equator?
I personally thought the program was amusing, particularly their lack of preparation.
Bear Grylls: Mission Everest
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I would have thought it would have been colder in the UK as it's further from the equator?
I personally thought the program was amusing, particularly their lack of preparation.
Hmm
I'm not a fan of BG, but I think you guys need to lighten up a bit, I watch the later half of the programme, and yes I agree, organisational skills didnt seem to be there strong point, BUT at the end of the day, they both achieved something amazing, how many of you would have wished to have just been there with those amazing views, I know I would have given last years bonus and then some. But they also flew paragliders from there, if any number of minor things had went wrong during theyre flight, they were dead, no hope of rescue.
Shrug so what if it was all a show (although I dont think it was) it was still a very cool thing to do, both those guys did something that took enormous bottle, I think we should at least respect that.
Dont knock it till you've had a go.
Stephen
I'm not a fan of BG, but I think you guys need to lighten up a bit, I watch the later half of the programme, and yes I agree, organisational skills didnt seem to be there strong point, BUT at the end of the day, they both achieved something amazing, how many of you would have wished to have just been there with those amazing views, I know I would have given last years bonus and then some. But they also flew paragliders from there, if any number of minor things had went wrong during theyre flight, they were dead, no hope of rescue.
Shrug so what if it was all a show (although I dont think it was) it was still a very cool thing to do, both those guys did something that took enormous bottle, I think we should at least respect that.
Dont knock it till you've had a go.
Stephen
But you know what annoyed me? why do we tout these acts as heroic? Im not dissing on Bear here *honest* but when people have children, their family should come first. We have lots of sentimental sayings to airbrush over that reality. " you have to live your dreams" "you only live once" "you must follow your heart" ect ect, But the truth is, a responsibility to yourself is a childs responsibilty. When you have children who clearly love you, then your adult responsibility is to them. Ok people have to do dangerous things, and often do dangerous things without need, BUT, these two were badly prepared. I mean REALLY badly prepared . Not only were the machines not tested, one had broken and Gilo overlooked the worryingly simple aspect of putting antifreeze in the engine. Surely they had a responsibility towards their families to make sure the basics were covered. We are going to end up with another poor Bindi here.
I totally agree Firecrest.
If you take the vows of marriage or enter into a partnership and then have children,then I believe if you put your life in unecessarry risk,you don't have much respect for your partner or kids.
Different if it's the way you earn a living (by that i mean services,all of them).
But if it's for yourself and money,why not do it before you've dependents or after your kids have entered the adult world?
I'm looking forward to when i know my two can stand on their own two feet.
My wife is big enough to know that then,hopefully, grandkids will be the on the scene and it don't mean a fig what happens to me if i'm out and about.
As long as they are alright 'cos i've done the most important thing.(Although i hope i'm able enough to teach the youngsters a thing or two before i croak
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No, but you have to take responsibility and not take unnecessary risks, his wife didn't want him to go, what did he do? he went anyway.
Its not like the other guy whose wife was behind him 110%, she even went with him.
New...Feelings...Ahhh...
Pointless and a shambles.
It could have been done anywhere in the UK.
It would have been safer in the UK.
They would have had better results in the UK.
And yes Prophecy, his posh little friend was bloody jarring :twak:
It could have been done anywhere in the UK.
It would have been safer in the UK.
They would have had better results in the UK.
And yes Prophecy, his posh little friend was bloody jarring :twak:
It would have been better if they did the flight around Bavaria/Allgau regions of Germany or over the border in Austria, that is where the proper Alpine Pareagliding takes place and some of the pilots there get to very great heights using thermals alone. Noisy engines spoil the elegance of the sport, and make the use of thermals less important. Any numpty could use one of those motorised wings and get up high.
well theres a difference between going on , say , a trip to a foreign land, which may be dangerous and unnecissary but for which you have planned for and trained for , thus, you are taking a risk which is not necessary but you have attempted to minimize all the possibility of those risks occuring.
Building an flying machine, not bothering to test it first or get in more than a few hours training and launching yourself into the unknown is another level entirely - you are going out of your way to do something nobody has done before (because its largely assumed to be too dangerous) just to see if you can do it. I don't think that has a noble cause.
There is unnecessary risk and there is unnecessary risk
Surely you can apply that argument to anything?
Brave or stupid? who knows?
Without people like this, boundries are never pushed discoveries are never made and inventions are never invented, so what if he went to the himalaya to do it? The point is that he flew a combustion engine in a rarified oxygen atmosphere higher than it has been done before, surely the main thing is that they had to refine the engine to be able to do this and this is a step forward in the understanding of what can be acheived.
The real hero of this was BG's "posh mate" who was the brains behind the bits to make it work, I don't know how much was showmanshipand how much was disorganised chaos but you have to admire the acheivment. Those who say it could be done here may be right, You can climb the height of everest by walking up and down snowdon for a bit but its not the same as climbing everest.
As for illustrating the difference, the only thing the world learns from playing chicken with trains is that trains are harder than teenagers, at least technical points have been proved with this expedition and I don't recall tenagers getting charity sponsorship for their feats of "daring do" which bear somehow (possibly because of his ever present celebrity status?) managed to do.
Top gear drove to the north pole a year or so ago, that must have been pretty risky, but I don't hear anyone slagging them off for going (or for putting it on the telly).
Im with you mate, i wish people would just leave the bloke alone, nobody is forcing anyone to watch him, if you don't like the guy change the channel - or is that too simple a solution?
The real problem here isn't that Mr Grylls is doing things which some might consider ill thought out, foolish or in at least some cases brave and daring. The problem is that he's managing to do it on prime time TV.
If television companies believe that a particular formula will make them lots of money, then we're going to see more of that kind of programming. If Mr. Grylls adventures prove to be popular we can expect to see more of the same form him and others.
Programming which deals with the subject of bushcraft in a calmer, less gladiatorial style will no longer be made.
More importantly, when the viewing public pick up on the fact that the adventurous antics depicted in the more 'exciting' programs may not have been so adventurous after all and change the channel, then the TV companies will move onto the next big thing and we'll have no bushcraft type programming at all.
I do not doubt that Mr Grylls is a nice chap, I'm certain that he means well. However I do not find his antics entertaining, changing the channel is an option, sadly I doubt we'll ever see Mr Kochansky on the other side.
If television companies believe that a particular formula will make them lots of money, then we're going to see more of that kind of programming. If Mr. Grylls adventures prove to be popular we can expect to see more of the same form him and others.
Programming which deals with the subject of bushcraft in a calmer, less gladiatorial style will no longer be made.
More importantly, when the viewing public pick up on the fact that the adventurous antics depicted in the more 'exciting' programs may not have been so adventurous after all and change the channel, then the TV companies will move onto the next big thing and we'll have no bushcraft type programming at all.
I do not doubt that Mr Grylls is a nice chap, I'm certain that he means well. However I do not find his antics entertaining, changing the channel is an option, sadly I doubt we'll ever see Mr Kochansky on the other side.
I guess its just a difference in opinion. I haven't ever liked the kind of things that get people into the guiness book of records. Most of it is trash. I feel nothing is acheived, no boundaries are pushed. So a Paraglider can go that high? lovely!. There was no real technological advancement, all what happened was Gilo built one bigger. In the same vein Ive no respect for people who go climb everest, i think they do it not to learn to make themselves more interesting people.
These things are easy to acheive in the general scheme of life, but I don't wan't to get philisophical about it
Maybe teenagers achieve a sense of the same pride and achievement of dodging a train that we assume mountain climbers and bear grylls feel? Perhaps we have just made the world too safe for them to push their own person boundaries and thats why they have an urge to artificially create a situation where they are risking their own life. I think the paragliding and other such record attempts (especially stunts) is just the same root issue but on a bigger, more professional looking scale.
Maybe I shouldnt be dissing that though, you know, I think we can harness kids desire for less cotton wool in their lives and get something good out of it channelled into outdoor activities and bushcraft, which I feel has a beneficial purpose to a persons wellbeing and can be used as a tool of education, before they start doing even more dumb and pointless things as adults.
I guess its just a difference in opinion. I haven't ever liked the kind of things that get people into the guiness book of records. Most of it is trash. I feel nothing is acheived, no boundaries are pushed. So a Paraglider can go that high? lovely!. There was no real technological advancement, all what happened was Gilo built one bigger. In the same vein Ive no respect for people who go climb everest, i think they do it not to learn to make themselves more interesting people.
These things are easy to acheive in the general scheme of life, but I don't wan't to get philisophical about it
Maybe teenagers achieve a sense of the same pride and achievement of dodging a train that we assume mountain climbers and bear grylls feel? Perhaps we have just made the world too safe for them to push their own person boundaries and thats why they have an urge to artificially create a situation where they are risking their own life. I think the paragliding and other such record attempts (especially stunts) is just the same root issue but on a bigger, more professional looking scale.
Maybe I shouldnt be dissing that though, you know, I think we can harness kids desire for less cotton wool in their lives and get something good out of it channelled into outdoor activities and bushcraft, which I feel has a beneficial purpose to a persons wellbeing and can be used as a tool of education, before they start doing even more dumb and pointless things as adults.
So if its not bushcraft its crap and pointless.?
This is like the guy with a world record for wearing the most jumpers at once!
I am going to stick my head above the parapet on this one. I prefer a good number of people to Bear on the telly, sure, but I don't dislike his stuff half as much as a load of other rubbish out there. I enjoyed the Everest show. I watched it aware of the controversy, for what it was, not for what I felt it should have been. It's easy to hate him, but no one can deny he is a skilful self-publicist making a good living from his exploits on TV. Good luck to him. I'll continue to watch his shows. Chris