Bear Grylls , Escape from Hell

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Humpback

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Pretty interesting , better than mosts rubbish on TV. I do find it odd how Bear gets such a negative response. I dont like him,But thats just because I am jealous as hell he gets to play in jungles for a living .

But something occurred to me recently. If a anti Bear bushcrafter got stuck in the wilderness would they rather die than use a tip they saw on his show? :lmao:

Im a noob to all this so Ill take any advise where ever I can get it , It might come in handy it might not
Yes, I'd use his helicopter to fly to the five star hotel and safety and I'd get his PA to drink my p*** so i didn't die ;)
 

Uilleachan

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I rather think that most "Anti-Bear" Bushcrafters would, IF they got stuck in the wilderness, be best off not showboating and faking techniques as shown by Bear in his early shows - as they could prove more lethal than the wilderness itself! :)
I was staggered by some of the mountain escape and evasion stuff masquerading as general mountaineering technique shown a few years back, jumping over corrie headwalls without an ice axe is a rather dumb thing to do, even dumber showing that sort of stuff to impressionable audiences.

I don't watch too much TV, but I did catch a bit of this program and it wasn't too bad, much better for the focus on individual experience than some of his other stuff; parachuting into the winter cairngorms equipped with just the underpants etc...
 

Swallow

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The Triple Filter Test, by Socrates, the Classical Greek Philosopher
In ancient Greece, scholar and intellectual, Socrates was reputed to hold knowledge in high esteem. One day an acquaintance met the great philosopher and said, "Do you know what I just heard about one of your friends?"

"Hold on a minute," Socrates replied. "Before telling me anything I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test."

"Triple filter?" asked the man.

"That's right," Socrates continued.

"Before you talk to me about my friend, it might be a good idea to take a moment and filter what you're going to say. That's why I call it the triple filter test. The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?"

"No," the man said, "actually I just heard about it and wanted to tell it to you."

"All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my friend something good?"

"No, on the contrary, it is bad."

"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, but you're not certain it's true. You may still pass the test though, because there's one filter left: the filter of usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my friend going to be useful to me?"

"No, not really." Replied the man.

"Well," concluded Socrates, if what you want to tell me is neither true, nor good, and nor even useful to me, why tell it to me at all?”
 

Bladeophile

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Go for it Mr Grylls. Continue having a ball and being out in the nature, travelling and earning good money - all with injuries that would have seen many people give up on living out their dream life. Most shows are fake. TV by nature is fake. It's cheap entertainment after all. I'll give it a watch though because even though I'm no fan, I've learned many survival tips from him amongst the Mission Impossible stuff. To be honest I think my choice is Mr Survivorman - just him and his cam and a week to get through. Pretty low key - But again it's a TV show. Some aspects must be staged. There's no way the pilots are gonna leave him out there to slowly starve to death.
 
bravo a man with a honest view
Go for it Mr Grylls. Continue having a ball and being out in the nature, travelling and earning good money - all with injuries that would have seen many people give up on living out their dream life. Most shows are fake. TV by nature is fake. It's cheap entertainment after all. I'll give it a watch though because even though I'm no fan, I've learned many survival tips from him amongst the Mission Impossible stuff. To be honest I think my choice is Mr Survivorman - just him and his cam and a week to get through. Pretty low key - But again it's a TV show. Some aspects must be staged. There's no way the pilots are gonna leave him out there to slowly starve to death.
 

Humpback

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bravo a man with a honest view
Presumably you will accept too that those who consider BG's previous tv antics as misleading (to say the least) hold a similar honest view?

On another tack:
The BG bushcraft debate is uinevitably just a variant of the "marmite" question, and neither entrenched view will persuade the other.

Escape from Hell ------ switch ofF the box !


Alan
 
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Bladeophile

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Presumably you will accept too that those who consider BG's previous tv antics as misleading (to say the least) hold a similar honest view?

On another tack:
The BG bushcraft debate is uinevitably just a variant of the "marmite" question, and neither entrenched view will persuade the other.

Escape from Hell ------ switch ofF the box !


Alan


Just curious. The 'BG Bushcraft debate' (Is this really going on seriously?) should never have even gotten off the ground in the first place. Their was no BG bushcraft show. There was never gonna be any BG Bushcraft show either!
Think about his background as some kind of action man soldier who made it onto TV. THIS is what the producers wanted to latch onto and focus on - and hype up some - hence the mission impossible antics thrown in. Because plain and simple, the general TV watching public would find it way more entertaining than watching an hour of bushcraft......Yawn. Also the man has successfully launched his own product range which, generally speaking, the public seem to be lapping up. Perhaps I should buy something too! So I'm guessing more love him than hate him. Can't see what there is to hate really. Those that would try to copy his jumping off cliffs would also try to copy Spider Man swinging between high rise buildings.

Now Marmite - Thats a REAL debate. lol
 

Swallow

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Just curious. The 'BG Bushcraft debate' (Is this really going on seriously?) should never have even gotten off the ground in the first place. Their was no BG bushcraft show. There was never gonna be any BG Bushcraft show either!
Think about his background as some kind of action man soldier who made it onto TV. THIS is what the producers wanted to latch onto and focus on - and hype up some - hence the mission impossible antics thrown in. Because plain and simple, the general TV watching public would find it way more entertaining than watching an hour of bushcraft......Yawn. Also the man has successfully launched his own product range which, generally speaking, the public seem to be lapping up. Perhaps I should buy something too! So I'm guessing more love him than hate him. Can't see what there is to hate really. Those that would try to copy his jumping off cliffs would also try to copy Spider Man swinging between high rise buildings.

Now Marmite - Thats a REAL debate. lol
It's not really a debate.

It's more a case of BG gets mentioned on a thread on here and people react and post negative comments, often citing RM as a counter example. I suspect the negative comments are based on the fear that BG's TV shows reflect badly on us in that it become the public perception of what we do or that people will harm themselves by taking it seriously and going out not properly prepared or trying some of the silly things and hurting themselves.

Both RM and Lofty have laid into BG for the same reasons.

There must be some sort of fear that keeps this going otherwise Tony would not have to intervene and say things like

All of you, if you are not interested in Bear Grylls, Ray Mears or anyone else and have nothing of value to contribute then don't post in the thread, stop ruining it for those that do enjoy these people and would like to talk about their programmes etc
I'm not so sure about the spiderman idea. Nearly everybody is clear that spiderman is a cartoon or CGI as it is really obvious. It won't be quite as obvious to as many people (especially kids) that a health and safety guy ordered a frogman to check that pool for it depths and hidden rocks before BG jumped into it.
 

Bladeophile

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Ok - Yes I take your point about H & S (A relatively modern practice in the UK and one that has got way out of hand already). As to S M - reckon he's been emulated countless times! But seriously, let's get some sense of perspective here. Kids and big kids have been pulling crazy stunts long before BG was around and will continue to do so long after Bear is not with us anymore. And regarding RM and LW (I respect them both) - they have somehow mistakenly been elevated into pure and holy demi-gods of bushcraft. But I bet my bottom dollar neither of them are squeaky clean in this whole area of survival and survival stunts, and I'm sure they would be the last to try to claim that certificate! Both LW and BG feel it necessary to use a clear disclaimer about what they do - to try to address those watching/reading who may lack some comon sense.

I won't post any more on this as this forum is worthy of more sensible topics, but thanks again for your valued insight into the whole BG thing.
 

Swallow

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Totally Addicted. But overall I think Man, Woman, Wild is a better show.

Met Myke Hawke at this years bushcraft show and he is one of the most personable people I've ever met.
 

Dano

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I admire BG's achievements, absolutely hate the stunts on his shows, that is probably down to the production team, I am glad he is making a mint out of it all and I think he is absolutely the right role model for the Chief Scout, that was a really switched on decision, I wonder if the seed was sown when rM called him a Boy Scout? But as I say hate the programs they make me cringe

I think Dave C is an interesting guy, he's a woodsman and hunter rather than a bushcrafter in my opinion, I think his production team didn't do him any favours but again he was earning so who cares, Cody L is a strange bloke to me, he says some really weird things which make me think he's not as smart as portrayed, walking about in bare feet in those places is just daft, I don't care (or believe) how advanced his mitochondria are!

I do wonder how often BG and DC get sick from ingesting the things they do ie water, I just got over a bout of the giardia and I tell you it's not just a case of the runs, I didn't get mine from a slow running stream though but from a rather nice pinocolada from a beach bar on a tropical island ;)


Dano
 

rik_uk3

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Ok then,What about dual survival.I never hear Cody Lundin getting a mention.Now he really is a legend.
He is indeed a legend........in his own mind. I just can't take him seriously anymore. 'They' have all done more/can/will than I have but...he's really not for me. If he works for you then fine but not wearing shoes is plain daft. With his bulk he's also going to go down the pan fast when food runs short.