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Toddy

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Health and safety is the thing, compensation etc, anyting dangerous is obviously not allowed and therefore someone else's fault. No one should be supplying anything like a Kelly kettle, pointy knives, sharp knives posonous medical things, so everything is safe. Cotton wool leads to wolly minds imo
I'd hate to live in that padded world, I really would. Risk teaches us both forethought and skill to overcome :)
 

Toddy

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Accidents caused by misfortune will always happen, but many could be avoided if people listened, learned and used their brain.

This thread reminds me of an earlier one, where the OP did not believe in traditional ( my word) teaching methods but was more in favour of the student finding the correct way by himself?
I personally like to be taught. I enjoy learning something new, and I absolutely relish watching and listening to someone show me how to do something.
It feels out of step with the instant know it all know nothing attitude that seems so prevalent, especially among a generation or so reared on 'teach themselves' principles. Humanity exists because we build on the knowledge of others.

M
 

Laurentius

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EDIT: Hah! cross posted with Woody girl :)

The thing is though, we all have that moment of inattention, we all do stupid things, and thankfully, mostly realise it just as it's done so can be rectified. It's when we don't notice the little things, like the cork in the kettle, which keeps the inside clean when transporting it or storing it.
If you have another cap, then that becomes the instinctive bit about using that and not the cork. My cork is chained onto the kettle though, and is used to stabilise it for easy pouring. I think that's why F. wasn't paying attention when she set it alight with the cork in. We got lucky, and she remembered just before it boiled. It came out with a pop and a splatter of hot wet steam, but it didn't erupt.

Sometimes a heads up thread like this, with the added graphics :sigh: really does get the message stored in the old neurons though.

M
I am sure we have all done it at some time or another, just an oversight. I know I have, but not anything worse than you describe as I was not near enough to suffer the consequences, I have had worse scalds from a kitchen kettle, it's not the device that is inherently dangerous, but the user. I think the cork would have to be jammed on pretty tight for the whole kettle to explode.
 
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Laurentius

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EDIT: Hah! cross posted with Woody girl :)

The thing is though, we all have that moment of inattention, we all do stupid things, and thankfully, mostly realise it just as it's done so can be rectified. It's when we don't notice the little things, like the cork in the kettle, which keeps the inside clean when transporting it or storing it.
If you have another cap, then that becomes the instinctive bit about using that and not the cork. My cork is chained onto the kettle though, and is used to stabilise it for easy pouring. I think that's why F. wasn't paying attention when she set it alight with the cork in. We got lucky, and she remembered just before it boiled. It came out with a pop and a splatter of hot wet steam, but it didn't erupt.

Sometimes a heads up thread like this, with the added graphics :sigh: really does get the message stored in the old neurons though.

M
I am sure we have all done it at some time or another, just an oversight. I know I have, but not anything worse than you describe as I was not near enough to suffer the consequences, I have had worse scalds from a kitchen kettle, it's not the device that is inherently dangerous, but the user. I think the cork would have to be jammed on pretty tight for the whole kettle to explode.
 
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Speaking of silly. Went to the bus stop this morning, became aware of the smell of fresh paint, bus stop full of people leaning with their backs against freshly painted structure, three large signs in red warning WET PAINT. There is no hope.

I did alert them to the fact that they had gloss khaki stripes on their backs, and I'm sure I heard someone mumble about compensation. :aargh:
 
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Speaking of silly. Went to the bus stop this morning, became aware of the smell of fresh paint, bus stop full of people leaning with their backs against freshly painted structure, three large signs in red warning WET PAINT. There is no hope.

I did alert them to the fact that they had gloss khaki stripes on their backs, and I'm sure I heard someone mumble about compensation. :aargh:
 

Janne

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I personally like to be taught. I enjoy learning something new, and I absolutely relish watching and listening to someone show me how to do something.
It feels out of step with the instant know it all know nothing attitude that seems to prevalent. Humanity exists because we build on the knowledge of others.

M
Same here. People teaching me, books, tv, radio.

I find it incredibly satisfying listening to a person whose knowledge surpasses mine.
(In the subjects that interest me of course!)

Re accidents: in the past, people knew that if they get hurt the chance was quite large they might die, even from small injuries. If they get maimed, the chance of a good life diminished or vanished completely.

Today we live in a world where our medical care is fantastic and the social protective net well developed.
Pair this with the social media exhibitionism, the love of showing off (lacking or false) skills and the chase for the Extreme, and you get people that get badly hurt or die.
 
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petrochemicals

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Imagine if someone invented a machine that was powered by thousands of explosions per minute, and all the explosives were stored in a tank sloshing about underneath it! I think many just take it for granted that things are safe, or have been made safe for us, and then get a bit of a shock when something goes wrong.
Imagine if someone had invented a machine powered by thousands of explosions, that people didn't pay for there where no legal ramifications for incorrect use, sort of like bumper cars :)
 
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Between homemade explosives, fast motorcycles (and a few slow ones without the required skill/brains/operational controls) firearms and sharp objects, living on a hillfarm in the 70s its honestly more through good luck than good management that I have all my fingers and toes.

It's still worth saying that kids can't be expected to know how everything works straight off the bat and they often accept adults word for whats safe and whats not ok.
Stuff happens and its not always just the clever people who survive it.

If you're thinking it would have never happened to you, its odds on you need to do more stuff.
 
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Nomad64

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Some years ago I spotted a large Kelly kettle in the bin at a campsite - my excitement was shortlived, the previous owner had clearly left the cork in but probably had a lucky escape as the water jacket had ruptured on the inside rather than the outside. Could still have been nasty but probably a lot less dangerous than the outside wall splitting.