Any SLR (Self Loading Rifle) enthusiasts?

[santaman2000]

...Any infantry rifle is supposed to be good in an infantrymans hands out to 300mtrs individual firing, out to about 600mtrs as a section shoot, then it is a snipers job using optics....

National Match competition (High Power) is held with 300 yards classified as "short" range, 600 yards as "medium" range, and 1000 yards as "long" range. All fired with an M14 (or occasionaly an M1 Garand) with open sights.

The Marine Corps also still uses this range classification system; although they don't expect long range coverage with an M16 or M4.

 

[SCOMAN]

Just to add to the SA80 adoption rumours many considered it to be selected in order to keep Royal Ordnance in business as there was a take over bid for them in the offing. Just saying

 

[wingstoo]

Combat range/infantryman rather than competition ranges...

One of my Fathers shooting trophies from when he was an infantryman firing at Bisley

http://www.flickr.com/photos/762_photo/4571794096/sizes/m/in/set-72157617825294790/

Such a shame he had to give it back, but he did keep the medal...

 

[santaman2000]

Combat range/infantryman rather than competition ranges...

One of my Fathers shooting trophies from when he was an infantryman firing at Bisley

http://www.flickr.com/photos/762_photo/4571794096/sizes/m/in/set-72157617825294790/

Such a shame he had to give it back, but he did keep the medal...

Fair enough. But as said, the Marine Corps still trains using that criteria.

And National Match competition is deliberately designed to teach/keep civialians proficient at military marksmanship with military weapons. Hence the DOD making surplus weapons available for civilian purchace (through the CMP, or Civilian Marksmanship Program) to those who participate.

 

[sandbender]

"...And this one ; http://youtu.be/boyuMaHSYIQ

I would not like to be in those woods behind, not with that thing being fired..."

Scary looking fat bloke with webbing and infidel t-shirt and lots of guns shooting away to his hearts content. To think that some people worry about how UK bushcrafters might look to the general public in the UK.

 

[santaman2000]

Scary looking fat bloke with webbing and infidel t-shirt and lots of guns shooting away to his hearts content. To think that some people worry about how UK bushcrafters might look to the general public in the UK.

What's scary about it? That IS the general public. Unfortunately, fat and all. LOL.

 

[tiger stacker]

The early SA80 was far to easy to waste ammunition unless good fire discipline was engaged, the A2 IIRC has a three round burst instead of full auto.

a few weapons held on account have triple burst option, not used by the rank n file of line or corps units.

A good infantryman with a No4 can put down the same rate of accurate fire as an L1A1 SLR, the SLR had, AFAICR, an expected malfunction of 1 or 2 rounds per 20 round magazine, though this was rarely the case.

Musketry was a hobbyhorse, hence villages small towns and cities having volunteer milita yeomanry heritage. South Africa proved the deadly aim of mounted boers.

 

[sandbender]

What's scary about it? That IS the general public. Unfortunately, fat and all. LOL.

There are folks in the UK bushcrafting community who worry that when out in the woods by wearing camoflage carrying a knife at our hip we might unduly worry some non bushcrafty passer by.

 

[Itzal]

There are folks in the UK bushcrafting community who worry that when out in the woods by wearing camoflage carrying a knife at our hip we might unduly worry some non bushcrafty passer by.

Probably due to that odd lunatic who thinks popping in to Tesco with his knife still on makes him look cool and bush crafty, when in fact the Police end up turning out. The few ruin it for the majority normally.

 

[Retired Member southey]

The A2 is still either single shot or fully automatic, no burst setting.

 

[sandbender]

Probably due to that odd lunatic who thinks popping in to Tesco with his knife still on makes him look cool and bush crafty, when in fact the Police end up turning out. The few ruin it for the majority normally.

Just to quickly point out, I don't wear camoflage (these days) and generally don't pop into Tescos with a knife on my belt.

 

[wingstoo]

The A2 is still either single shot or fully automatic, no burst setting.

Cheerrs Southey, It is a few years back when I heard about the three round option, (well that would be at least 8 years ago (minimum)), when they started the recalls after the first Gulf conflict, maybe they changed their minds...Nothing unusual there.

 

[Itzal]

Just to quickly point out, I don't wear camoflage (these days) and generally don't pop into Tescos with a knife on my belt.

Ha ha ha, I get the camo attitude, its cheap and reliable (ish, MTP/PCS is rubbish) so I understand, but the loons who think that the public wont be scared of them carrying knives in public are nuts, the media has seen to the hysteria surrounding knives, along with firearms, such a shame.

 

[Retired Member southey]

PCs is. Good!! Or it would be if local orders would et you wear it as its supposed to be instead of havng to iron velcro

 

[sandbender]

Just to add to the SA80 adoption rumours many considered it to be selected in order to keep Royal Ordnance in business as there was a take over bid for them in the offing. Just saying

Now that, I can well believe.

 

[Itzal]

PCs is. Good!! Or it would be if local orders would et you wear it as its supposed to be instead of havng to iron velcro

Mine didnt last 3 months in Afghan, utter tosh quality, made by the cheapest bidder to an astounding poor standard. Good idea but doesnt actually blend in anywhere.
Local orders have long since ignored what clothing trials have found to be best practice, what wonderful Army sense it is spending 1000's on trials to ignore them.

 

[Retired Member southey]

Hahahahahahha, I did how ever get given some of the soldier 95 style kit in mtp, even that feels better than heavy stuff.

 

[Itzal]

Hahahahahahha, I did how ever get given some of the soldier 95 style kit in mtp, even that feels better than heavy stuff.

PCS is thinner and much more comfy, but the belt loops fall off and the pockets slowly (well not slowly at all)fall off bit by bit. The PCS smocks have fleece pockets which are great, but of course we are not allowed to stand with your cold hands in warm pockets.

Talk is MTP 95 style will be issued for the UK but I think they realise now that is daft. PCS/MTP is a one shot issue for Ops and after that its written off (6 month Ops life span) that includes the 5 pairs of boots too.

 

[Silverclaws]

Military kit always was what the best they could get for what they were prepared to spend, ( except the Nimrod), so all surplus gear is a compromise and why those currently serving spend so much of their hard earned on better kit. Mind I am still wearing my issued in '89 BCH with zipits and only recently have I noticed the tread worn off and the sole split, but a well known surplus shop nearby can still get them in good order, so goodbye memories for watertight grippy boots again seeing as cobblers are doing themselves out of their trade given the prices I have been quoted for a resole in Vibram as opposed to the old hard long lasting rubber.

But of the mentality that procures the kit those fighting for our county's freedom, they are just like everything in this country, designed by a committee, never a specialist who knows exactly what our defenders face, for the specialist voice is quickly forgotten when the talk turns to money.

But of the videos I posted, did anyone notice the Beret ?

But of talk of camo and such, how many bush crafters and survivalists are ex military, I would wager quite a lot ?

 

[British Red]

Military kit always was what the best they could get for what they were prepared to spend,

I like murphys laws of combat

Murphy's Laws of Combat​

• You are not Superman.​
• Recoilless rifles aren't.​
• Suppressive fire won't.​
• If it's stupid, but works, it's not stupid.​
• Don't look conspicuous. It draws fire.​
• Never draw fire. It makes everyone around you nervous.​
• When in doubt, empty the magazine.​
• Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you.​
• Always keep in mind that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder. ​
• If your attack is going well, it's an ambush.
  
  (and so on.....google for more)​