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It strikes me that 3D printers have a lot of potential. Saying that, I've never actually come across one, so I'm not sure what their capabilities/limitations are.

In terms of materials, what sort of stage is your average domestic machine at? Are you limited to producing hard plastic, or can you use them with other materials?

Can you create flexible products?

Can you make things that are foodsafe or heatproof?

Is there an inherent weakness in the product due to the way it's constructed, or can you make things that are fairly robust, like carabiners, hooks or other weight bearing objects?

Do many of you use 3D printers, if so, what do you use them for?
 
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They're great fun. I'm no expert. I have a Bambu Labs A1 at the moment but am upgrading to a bigger enclosed machine soon. The A1 is fine with PLA, PETG and TPU. The following is all related to FDM printers that print from a spool of filament. I have no idea about other process types.

What materials you can print depends on the machine.
A machine with a temp controlled enclosure allows you to print more. Stuff like ASA, ABS, PA(Nylon) and more advanced filaments need (or are drastically inproved by) the stable warmer printing environment. They also need to be printed with a higher nozzle temp.
Sime printers don't work well with TPU and other flexables due to the extruder design, but I think most newer printers do. They need to have the extruder drive in the print head so they are pulling the filament in and have in internal design that correctly constrains the filament between the extruder gears and the heated nozzle input.

"Heat proof" depends on the filament glass transition temperature. PLA softens at a low temperature 60ishC, PETG is a bit higher at 80ish. ABS ASA are higher still. Nothing is heat proof as you are melting it to be able to print it.

Food safe is a bit of a strange one. Most of the filaments themselves would be food safe BUT due to the nature of the way they are printed the surface isn't completely smooth and may have small voids etc which could/would make cleaning difficult and so could harbour bacteria. 3d printed objects themselves would not be considered foodsafe without some form of coating afterwards. Also filament pigments may make stuff non foodsafe.

As for inherent weaknesses. Normally the weakest part of a print is layer to layer adhesion. So prints require orienting correctly to have the best strength characteristics. Different filaments behave differently. TPU for example sticks like s**t to a blanket. Strength is related to the material it's print orientation and the the area that would need to break. There are loads of 3d printed carabiners and hooks out there but I wouldnt use any of them if my life depended (literally) on it. I would give them a go for holding bags etc. Best to test them before relying on them though. Printed things can be supprisingly strong.

I saw a print the other day for those rings used in blokes gymnastics. The guy that uploaded the file said that he had tested them and they worked fine! I can see that the nature of the print would mean that the layer to layer bonding wouldn't be a problem and I suppose there are crash mats under you anyway but still....

As to what I print. It does help if you like making models in CAD, then you can design exactly what you want. I've made custom screw on funnels for refilling things. Custom sized shims to fit bookcases to uneven walls. A stand that stops the families various electric toothbrushes falling over and stops the toothpaste scunge that invariably ends up under them from spreading all over the bathroom windowsill. Simple rings that mean that heinz soup cans stack properly on the cupboard. A thing that goes over the cap an tomato puree tubes so that they will stand up without falling over. A recipie book holder that swings down from under the top cupboards.
There are loads of things that can just be downloaded. Various whistles for the kids (Every time I regret it almost imediatly but somehow don't learn). Masks. Fiddle toys. Articulated toys.
I haven't uploaded all my models but some are on my makerworld account. Username is the same as on here.

Hope that helps a little. It's a big subject.

Cheers
Grebby
 
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I do not have one but my son has made several useful bits for me.
I have no idea what the complete range is but I have components made of hard and soft plastics.

The strands (layer lines) can pull apart particularly at edges depending upon the resolution of the printer. Harry’s early jobs were quite hairy. Newer stuff can be smooth. There are ways of finishing the surface that smooth out the layers at the surface. Wiping with acetone is one.

The device depends upon rapid heating so that coasters do melt a bit if I put hot coffee mugs down on them.

My son scanned my face and printed it in hard and soft plastics. He has recently made me a very useful box for holding and mounting my diamond sharpening sheets.

He has made all sorts of bits for my tipi and camp kit including buckles, guyline cleats and big fluorescent collars for my outer circle tent pegs. The lines are a trip hazard for those who don’t know the tipi.

I thought about tool handles but haven’t tried them yet. The internet is full of millions of pre-written programs for almost anything made of plastic.

Unsurprisingly everything depends upon the quality of the printer and the material chosen to put through it.

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I made the pottery mug. H printed the plastic bits.

This might help vvvvvvv.

 
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pee ess.
The first thing that most 3D printer owners print is accessories for their printers (there are hundreds)

I don’t use Facebook so can’t show you but H has printed a yarn bowl for his wife. It is a cat on its back and you run the yarn through its paws. I’m not quite happy with where you park your needles.
(I prefer the pottery and leather one that I made for my wife)
 
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These tests to destruction are always popular.
Used as appropriately as say: luggage clips the carabiner would work fine.
My son has made many useful things for the family and held my kit together for a long time now.
 
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They're great fun. I'm no expert. I have a Bambu Labs A1 at the moment but am upgrading to a bigger enclosed machine soon. The A1 is fine with PLA, PETG and TPU. The following is all related to FDM printers that print from a spool of filament. I have no idea about other process types.

What materials you can print depends on the machine.
A machine with a temp controlled enclosure allows you to print more. Stuff like ASA, ABS, PA(Nylon) and more advanced filaments need (or are drastically inproved by) the stable warmer printing environment. They also need to be printed with a higher nozzle temp.
Sime printers don't work well with TPU and other flexables due to the extruder design, but I think most newer printers do. They need to have the extruder drive in the print head so they are pulling the filament in and have in internal design that correctly constrains the filament between the extruder gears and the heated nozzle input.

"Heat proof" depends on the filament glass transition temperature. PLA softens at a low temperature 60ishC, PETG is a bit higher at 80ish. ABS ASA are higher still. Nothing is heat proof as you are melting it to be able to print it.

Food safe is a bit of a strange one. Most of the filaments themselves would be food safe BUT due to the nature of the way they are printed the surface isn't completely smooth and may have small voids etc which could/would make cleaning difficult and so could harbour bacteria. 3d printed objects themselves would not be considered foodsafe without some form of coating afterwards. Also filament pigments may make stuff non foodsafe.

As for inherent weaknesses. Normally the weakest part of a print is layer to layer adhesion. So prints require orienting correctly to have the best strength characteristics. Different filaments behave differently. TPU for example sticks like s**t to a blanket. Strength is related to the material it's print orientation and the the area that would need to break. There are loads of 3d printed carabiners and hooks out there but I wouldnt use any of them if my life depended (literally) on it. I would give them a go for holding bags etc. Best to test them before relying on them though. Printed things can be supprisingly strong.

I saw a print the other day for those rings used in blokes gymnastics. The guy that uploaded the file said that he had tested them and they worked fine! I can see that the nature of the print would mean that the layer to layer bonding wouldn't be a problem and I suppose there are crash mats under you anyway but still....

As to what I print. It does help if you like making models in CAD, then you can design exactly what you want. I've made custom screw on funnels for refilling things. Custom sized shims to fit bookcases to uneven walls. A stand that stops the families various electric toothbrushes falling over and stops the toothpaste scunge that invariably ends up under them from spreading all over the bathroom windowsill. Simple rings that mean that heinz soup cans stack properly on the cupboard. A thing that goes over the cap an tomato puree tubes so that they will stand up without falling over. A recipie book holder that swings down from under the top cupboards.
There are loads of things that can just be downloaded. Various whistles for the kids (Every time I regret it almost imediatly but somehow don't learn). Masks. Fiddle toys. Articulated toys.
I haven't uploaded all my models but some are on my makerworld account. Username is the same as on here.

Hope that helps a little. It's a big subject.

Cheers
Grebby
Thanks for such a comprehensive answer. Plenty to follow up.
It sounds like they are moving forward pretty quickly. I can imagine they are incredibly useful for solving those little jobs when you just need a really specific little part that doesn't exist otherwise.

Presumably, there is a whole business model based around printing off people's designs for them. I expect they have the potential to pay for themselves in a relatively short amount of time.
 
I don’t think you’d make much. There are too many of them around. Someone will always know someone who has got one.

A quick Look on the Thingiverse will show you some of the thousands of free published programme files.
 
My Bambu Labs A1 Combo is up for sale in General Classifieds if anyone is interested. I've just upgraded to a H2R Combo and don't need two 3d printers.
 
Yes. It's a bit of a beast! It was mostly funded by points from makerworld otherwise it wouldn't have happened.

I have now started playing with ABS which wouldn't have worked well on the A1.
There are so many more filament options with the H2D.

If anyone is local and wants something printed drop me a message and I'll see if I can help.

Cheers
Grebby
 
We have a Snapmaker A350, 3 in 1, fully enclosed unit. So far we've only used the laser engraver and CNC heads (it was bought mainly for the laser engraving) and we've not tried any 3D printing at all - must set aside some time to have a go.
 
We have a Snapmaker A350, 3 in 1, fully enclosed unit. So far we've only used the laser engraver and CNC heads (it was bought mainly for the laser engraving) and we've not tried any 3D printing at all - must set aside some time to have a go.
That looks interesting!

My H2D is the non laser version. I basically wanted it for the heated chamber and the twin nozzle setup. The extra size capability was nice also.
 
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