Exactly a good point well made and a hugely positive thing.
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Sounds great... Scouts themselves are inspired and happy with the appointment which is all that really matters...
Bear Grylls To Be New Chief Scout!
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Exactly a good point well made and a hugely positive thing.
Sounds great... Scouts themselves are inspired and happy with the appointment which is all that really matters...
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You know what this thread has shown......? We have an awful lot of cantankerous, whiny people who should have a bit more intelligence than to judge a man on the sensationalist attributes of a tv show......
Chill people
Hmm,
I don't watch TV, I read though, and for twelve years I was a leader in the Scout Movement.
I suspect that whatever Bear Grylls does, he and anyone who associates with him, will have to face the criticism of his hypocrisy, his poor judgement and the downright stupidity of some of his antics.
The Scout Movement is supposed to stand for decency, honest guidance, helping to nurture a developing sense of personal and social responsibility and morality in the children in their care.
It is inevitable that appointing someone who *seems* so contradictory to some of that ethos will raise hackles and disbelieving comments.
I only wish the Scout Movement well, it is to be hoped that the man completes his duties appropriately,
cheers,
Toddy
I don't watch TV, I read though, and for twelve years I was a leader in the Scout Movement.
I suspect that whatever Bear Grylls does, he and anyone who associates with him, will have to face the criticism of his hypocrisy, his poor judgement and the downright stupidity of some of his antics.
The Scout Movement is supposed to stand for decency, honest guidance, helping to nurture a developing sense of personal and social responsibility and morality in the children in their care.
It is inevitable that appointing someone who *seems* so contradictory to some of that ethos will raise hackles and disbelieving comments.
I only wish the Scout Movement well, it is to be hoped that the man completes his duties appropriately,
cheers,
Toddy
I think he's going to do a good job, i think he's a good bloke even if he comes over a bit reckless or dangerous, i'm sure that it will be curbed and that most of it is the cuts of the TV show. I think that he's got a lot to offer and that the scouts are a great cause to offer it to. He has an enthusiasm that could help many people to move forward and better themselves and to be honest i think he's brave putting himself up to be shot down as it bound to happen.
I think that the scouts need him and on reflection i can't think of many people that they could have chosen that would be better. No matter what our opinions he is popular, he has got energy and drive etc and from what i know he's a generally good bloke.
Good luck to them all
I think that the scouts need him and on reflection i can't think of many people that they could have chosen that would be better. No matter what our opinions he is popular, he has got energy and drive etc and from what i know he's a generally good bloke.
Good luck to them all
I think he's going to do a good job, i think he's a good bloke even if he comes over a bit reckless or dangerous, i'm sure that it will be curbed and that most of it is the cuts of the TV show. I think that he's got a lot to offer and that the scouts are a great cause to offer it to. He has an enthusiasm that could help many people to move forward and better themselves and to be honest i think he's brave putting himself up to be shot down as it bound to happen.
I think that the scouts need him and on reflection i can't think of many people that they could have chosen that would be better. No matter what our opinions he is popular, he has got energy and drive etc and from what i know he's a generally good bloke.
Good luck to them all
Apparently there has been a massive unique visitor increase to the Scout associations website after this announcement and it could actually help his image too.
If you saw the BBC breakfast news clip there was some footage of Grylls doing crate stacking with a youngster, both were in harnesses and had suitable head gear on. If that were on born survivor he'd be up there with no safety gear, the overdub saying 'One slip and I'm dead' and he would no doubt munch on a passing dragonfly, spit a bit out and say 'It tastes like month old cheese!'
okay so heres a scenario - what if rms money came from the states and not bbc bristol. you could have been watching born survivor ray mears! and before you all harp on that there's no way he would do that I say one word - money. when a producer says this would look good you tend to do it, I mean look at the way he used to recklessly jump around fallen tree trunks and moorland in tracks - health and safety nightmare, wouldnt catch me doing that, reckless idiot. where's me forks!!
bear grylls bushcraft has a tv ring to it too just because rm doesn't like other folks using the term doesnt make it his
from the feedback I've had and expect from kids and leaders except the one who paid too much for his woodlore course they see it as positive, scouting certainly needs some life breathing into it before they change it all again in 5 years and bring back venture scouts - sorry I mean bear cubs, bear scouts, bearsplorers and the leaders will be grizzly bears
bear grylls bushcraft has a tv ring to it too just because rm doesn't like other folks using the term doesnt make it his
from the feedback I've had and expect from kids and leaders except the one who paid too much for his woodlore course they see it as positive, scouting certainly needs some life breathing into it before they change it all again in 5 years and bring back venture scouts - sorry I mean bear cubs, bear scouts, bearsplorers and the leaders will be grizzly bears
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Ah, good points.
That hadn't occurred to me when I gave my endorsement to the choice.
Hopefully it will work out as the Scouting establishment would like.
It seems that ALL our national institutions are going for show over substance these days.
I blame TV.
okay so heres a scenario - what if rms money came from the states and not bbc bristol. you could have been watching born survivor ray mears! and before you all harp on that there's no way he would do that I say one word - money. when a producer says this would look good you tend to do it, I mean look at the way he used to recklessly jump around fallen tree trunks and moorland in tracks - health and safety nightmare, wouldnt catch me doing that, reckless idiot. where's me forks!!
bear grylls bushcraft has a tv ring to it too just because rm doesn't like other folks using the term doesnt make it his
from the feedback I've had and expect from kids and leaders except the one who paid too much for his woodlore course they see it as positive, scouting certainly needs some life breathing into it before they change it all again in 5 years and bring back venture scouts - sorry I mean bear cubs, bear scouts, bearsplorers and the leaders will be grizzly bears
RM started off in "Bushcraft" and built up slowly, studying, travelling and learning. He got into the media after building up a huge background of knowledge.
BG started off as an "Adventurer" and courted the media from the off. Nothing wrong with that, my all time hero, Ranulph Fiennes did exactly the same.
So, IMO, BG is a showman, pure and simple and in that context he has done nothing underhand, deceitful or dishonest.
And, NO, I am NOT a fan.
Ray Mears makes his money from his his company Woodlore, his merchandise, his speaking appearances, and his books. Woodlore was founded 10 years before he did anything for TV.
Ray develops the idea, pitches it to the Television companies and it’s up to them to buy it or not. If not then Ray may go back with a new pitch, closer to what the TV people want, but I doubt that has happened, well not after Ray’s viewing figures were posted
When a new Ray programme is shown he gets two million + UK viewers, Not bad, better than Bear, who manages to pull just over half that UK viewers for a new Programme
Looks like it's worked a treat for the movement so far then.
Will be interesting to see the long term effect once the initial flush of publicity has died down.
Surely that was what Scouting was entirely about? Baden-Powell came back from his campaigns and found the kids in Britain in a very bad way. Most were poor, living in slums, un-educated and forced into work form an early age. They smoked and drank and generally had poor health.
BP got them out of their unhealthy city environments and into the clean, fresh air of the countryside. He mixed them with kids from all walks of life and developed a specific training programme that was designed to turn them into better (and healthier) citizens. This Training Programme placed the kids into small teams (Patrols) and revolved around outdoor activities.
To me, the man had great vision. His ideas are every bit as relevant today as they were a hundred years ago. What can be more important these days than getting kids away from their TV, games consoles and Internet and out into the wonderful countryside we are blessed with in this countryside? We still put kids into Patrols and adopt a Progressive Training Programme.
The Scout Movement exists only for the kids. If the kids are pleased with Bear Grylls being the Chief Scout, that's all that matters. Much as I admire Ray Mears (and would always watch his educational programmes in preference to Bear Grylls entertainment shows) he would not make a good Chief Scout. As I Scout Leader, I took offence when Ray Mears described Bear Grylls as "just a Boy Scout" when they had their spat last year.
I've been involved with Scouting all my life and I've been a Leader for 15 years. To me, Scouting is all about getting out and having an adventure, and as long as I'm a Leader that is what we'll do. Oh, and I'll teach 'em about trust and integrity as well
I'm pretty sure that all of Bear's attributes, skills and personality were scrutinised heavily by a board of people who have nothing but the best interests of the scout movement at heart and they have come to the conclusion that he will be the best man for the job.
Good luck to him.
Can we give it a rest now?
Good luck to him.
Can we give it a rest now?
That is the same board that picked Peter Duncan of Blue Peter, Duncan Dares and the odd Porn film. Not doing so well are they
Probably not the same people on the board.
How long ago was Peter Duncan picked?
*Edit* Just looked - 5 years ago maybe it is the same people.
Peter still increased volunteer numbers though.
How long ago was Peter Duncan picked?
*Edit* Just looked - 5 years ago maybe it is the same people.
Peter still increased volunteer numbers though.
We're massively off topic.. However... I think 2 million viewers for RM is a admirable viewing figure but I would venture to suggest that Man v Wild / Born Survivor would get a far larger worldwide audience. Sad to say RM is a bit of an unknown quantity outside of blighty.. If I asked here in NZ who RM was I'd get blank looks. Ask who BG is and I'm far more likely to get a knowing look.
Both RM and BG are admirable fellows. The appointment of BG to Head Scout is a positive one for scouting and will undoubtedly raise scoutings profile in a positive way.
I must admit that for a guy who tried to stop the site carrying the name bushcraft your loyalty to him amazes me.
woodlore was a one man band till he got the tracks gig and he started off as a survival instructor what he did do right was pay attention on the lars falt courses he did which is more where bushcraft came from. if he's thinking up his own shows then he needs a new media consultant as he wasted fantastic opportunites in all those filming locations. countryfile is his best bet I reckon. I think the recent drivel is down to losing his wife so he wants to detatch from the bushcraft side and find other avenues like the one show and saturday kitchen. never seen him even thought of as anything to do with kids not even blue peter. the young woodlore courses were set up by the guys who run the company. maybe if theyd had kids it would have been different.
hey just found out BG was christened huckleberry edward joscelyne grylls - now thats a name worthy of a chief scout no wonder he prefers bear
except for his age he is probably closest to a baden powel they are likely to get. he used to sleep on the porch well into his 70's in just a few blankets all year round.
I think bg being an adventurer then he'll keep the subject going like benedict allen and bruce parry which is good, as anything on the box of that vein will help the survival bushcraft fraternity get members and participats. you lot seem to forget that anything which get folks asking how did they do that and reaching for the keyboard could increase site traffic here in the same way this site started off as a rm tribute repository. any idiotic bias statements will only prove to folks that bushcrafters are a blinkered lot so they should take their questions elsewhere. I've seen very unpleasant responses to innocent questions which only shows the forum up.
you need to open your attitudes a bit and maybe go right back to reading the very beginning of this forum so see how it has morphed and changed over the years. then go out and form your own opinions instead of just repeating someone elses.
if your not in the scouting movement then frankly who you think should be chief scout is irrelevant, someone realised that they needed to move away from retired generals and go for people the kids know. peter duncan was a first step due to his blue peter/duncan dares (not unlike bear grylls at all really with doing the commando course and surviving with lofty) and more recent going around the world with his kids which was shown on sky. next they've gone for bg as he's young, fit and vibrant with many different strings to his bow and he understands the media, if it works great and hopefully he will feed back to help change the attitude at headquarters which has become like the government of late.
the leaders are up for it and so are the kids - they are the ones who count, not the 400 still active members of a lone forum. whoever it was from here emailing the bbc were just being petty - get a life.
as to viewing figures and fan base the bear grylls forum has a million members - I wonder what they think?
and believe it or not I'm not particularly a fan but like red wine, whiskey and real ale I can understand and appreciate it.
woodlore was a one man band till he got the tracks gig and he started off as a survival instructor what he did do right was pay attention on the lars falt courses he did which is more where bushcraft came from. if he's thinking up his own shows then he needs a new media consultant as he wasted fantastic opportunites in all those filming locations. countryfile is his best bet I reckon. I think the recent drivel is down to losing his wife so he wants to detatch from the bushcraft side and find other avenues like the one show and saturday kitchen. never seen him even thought of as anything to do with kids not even blue peter. the young woodlore courses were set up by the guys who run the company. maybe if theyd had kids it would have been different.
hey just found out BG was christened huckleberry edward joscelyne grylls - now thats a name worthy of a chief scout no wonder he prefers bear
except for his age he is probably closest to a baden powel they are likely to get. he used to sleep on the porch well into his 70's in just a few blankets all year round.
I think bg being an adventurer then he'll keep the subject going like benedict allen and bruce parry which is good, as anything on the box of that vein will help the survival bushcraft fraternity get members and participats. you lot seem to forget that anything which get folks asking how did they do that and reaching for the keyboard could increase site traffic here in the same way this site started off as a rm tribute repository. any idiotic bias statements will only prove to folks that bushcrafters are a blinkered lot so they should take their questions elsewhere. I've seen very unpleasant responses to innocent questions which only shows the forum up.
you need to open your attitudes a bit and maybe go right back to reading the very beginning of this forum so see how it has morphed and changed over the years. then go out and form your own opinions instead of just repeating someone elses.
if your not in the scouting movement then frankly who you think should be chief scout is irrelevant, someone realised that they needed to move away from retired generals and go for people the kids know. peter duncan was a first step due to his blue peter/duncan dares (not unlike bear grylls at all really with doing the commando course and surviving with lofty) and more recent going around the world with his kids which was shown on sky. next they've gone for bg as he's young, fit and vibrant with many different strings to his bow and he understands the media, if it works great and hopefully he will feed back to help change the attitude at headquarters which has become like the government of late.
the leaders are up for it and so are the kids - they are the ones who count, not the 400 still active members of a lone forum. whoever it was from here emailing the bbc were just being petty - get a life.
as to viewing figures and fan base the bear grylls forum has a million members - I wonder what they think?
and believe it or not I'm not particularly a fan but like red wine, whiskey and real ale I can understand and appreciate it.
No, I don't think it was just that for one moment - I have never seen Scouting as just outdoor exercise. It used to resonate with a clear moral compass - indeed when I was in - several decades ago, great emphsis was made as to how a scout should behave and conduct himself - truthfulness for example, even at the detriment to oneself, was expected. One of the things that made Scouting very special to me was not that it gave opportunities, but that it set itself up as an organisation with values and that stood for certain things and really meant them.
I have no doubt that many of the leaders here still imbue those values - certainly what I see of Stovies work show me people who are both trusted and trustworthy. That, to me, is what scouting is about.
I am however old fashioned in many ways
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