Why the Chaos - Watch this - Money As Debt

[firecrest]

Resisting the urge to give me two pence worth on the reptile man, Ill reply to the OP!


Ive watched the documentary its available in full on www.surfthechannel.com which is not illegal btw. Just yesterday I was trying to explain how money works to my aunt using the documentary. I explained money doesnt actually exist, its just an agreement in paper, it doesnt represent anything, and she didnt get it, its so intrenched in peoples minds that money has an inherent value. it used to, but it doesnt now.

other documentaries you might like, are "The zeitgeist" and a film called "The Network" both of which enlightened me and filled me with woe.

heres zeigesit, its in three parts, 9/11, religion, and finance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

 

[spiritofold]

All over my head im afraid! I just like playing in the woods

 

[hedgepig]

Firecrest - Zeitgeist Addendum is just out. The first bored me and I didn't watch much of it. The second started well, but their proposal to move to a resource based economy is a bit fanciful.

Money does have value, but to understand it you need to understand how money arises, what makes a useful currency and why it has value. For those who really want to understand this I recommend "The Mystery of Banking" by the economist Murray N Rothbard. The problem with our current monetary base is that money is fiat - i.e. it is money by government declaration rather as a function of society. Government fiat money is not backed by anything ... nothing, nada. It used to be backed by a real commodity (gold). Now its value only comes from a collective acceptance that it can be used in exchange for real commodities with real value.

 

[Garf]

OOOOP's I have just got in from work and found this post
has gone off on one. I do apologise.
I was merely stating that Mr Icke has been talking about this
subject for many years and he must have been right about said subject.
As for the rest of his thought's on other matter's that is up to him.
People believe in ghost's, other's in U.F.O's and alien's.
He believes in Reptilian Shape-Shifter's.
As for the video's,the were spot on.
I will be passing the message to as many as I can.
Garf.

 

[Shambling Shaman]

OOOOP's I have just got in from work and found this post
has gone off on one. I do apologise.
I was merely stating that Mr Icke has been talking about this
subject for many years and he must have been right about said subject.
As for the rest of his thought's on other matter's that is up to him.
People believe in ghost's, other's in U.F.O's and alien's.
He believes in Reptilian Shape-Shifter's.
As for the video's,the were spot on.
I will be passing the message to as many as I can.
Garf.

No worries - lively debate never hurt any one (well till next moot(Joke))

 

[demographic]

David Ike, Sane?

Yer having a laugh, he's as mad as a box of frogs

As for him being right on a subject or two... Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Still bonkers though. Read about him HERE, its total comedy

Some of it...

Reptilian humanoids
In 1999, Icke wrote and published The Biggest Secret: The Book that Will Change the World, in which he identified the extraterrestrial Prison Warders as reptilians from the constellation Draco.They walk erect and appear to be human, living not only on the planets they come from, but also in caverns and tunnels under the earth. They have cross-bred with humans, which has created "hybrids" who are "possessed" by the full-blooded reptilians. The reptiles' hybrid reptilian-human DNA allows them to change from reptilian to human form if they consume human blood. Icke has drawn parallels with the 1980s science-fiction series V, in which the earth is taken over by reptiloid aliens disguised as humans.

According to Icke, the reptilian group includes many prominent people and practically every world leader from Britain's late Queen Mother to George H.W. Bush, Hillary Clinton, Harold Wilson, and Tony Blair. These people are either themselves reptilian, or work for the reptiles as what Icke calls slave-like victims of multiple personality disorder: "The Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the British royal family, and the ruling political and economic families of the U.S. and the rest of the world come from these SAME bloodlines. It is not because of snobbery, it is to hold as best they can a genetic structure — the reptilian-mammalian DNA combination which allows them to 'shape-shift'."

In Tales From The Time Loop and other works, Icke states that most organised religions, especially Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, are Illuminati creations designed to divide and conquer the human race through endless conflicts. In a similar vein, Icke believes racial and ethnic divisions are an illusion promoted by the reptilians, and that racism fuels the Illuminati agenda.

 

[Garf]

He can't be that barking as he is making a fortune.

"Mad as a box of Frog's" hardly.

He hasn't got to get up tomorrow at the crack of dawn to earn

a few quid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unlike me.

 

[demographic]

He can't be that barking as he is making a fortune.

"Mad as a box of Frog's" hardly.

He hasn't got to get up tomorrow at the crack of dawn to earn

a few quid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unlike me.

Nah, that just means the people who buy his books are even more nuts

 

[Morning Fox]

David Ike, Sane?

Yer having a laugh, he's as mad as a box of frogs

As for him being right on a subject or two... Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Still bonkers though. Read about him HERE, its total comedy

Some of it...

All I am saying is that it works both ways, if you can give me one single bit of proof that what that quote is saying is complete rubbish, then fair enough, but the fact of the matter is - you can't. It may be completely crazy, but for me personally, outright disbelieving something just because it sounds bloody crazy, is just as crazy as it is to outright believe it.

Keep an open mind.

Let me just say that I personally think its a load of bowl ox, but for me to sit around claiming to know for sure one way or the other is just outright ignorant. Unless I can vouch for something through personal experience, I won't go around claiming to know it.

 

[firecrest]

well if somebody makes a theory, its up to them to prove it, not the disbelievers to disprove it. Thus, it is not madness at all to outright disbelieve something until solid evidence is proved. Could you imagine if we all had to give credance to every nutjob's rantings? it would be like...well multi-cultural Britain really...

 

[Shambling Shaman]

AND once AGAIN

If you were to say the earth was round - in the wrong time - you would have been burnt at the stake...........................................

What is wrong today ...---...could be right tomorrow...

 

[TallMikeM]

AND once AGAIN

If you were to say the earth was round - in the wrong time - you would have been burnt at the stake...........................................

What is wrong today ...---...could be right tomorrow...

true, but the onus of proof is on the person making the claim. To believe something just because someone else is not able to disprove it is intellectually lazy.
Just because I can't explain how evolution works doesn't mean we were placed here by space lizards. It is upto the person making the claim to provide proof of this. It's got nothing to do with keeping an open mind.

 

[Morning Fox]

true, but the onus of proof is on the person making the claim. To believe something just because someone else is not able to disprove it is intellectually lazy.
Just because I can't explain how evolution works doesn't mean we were placed here by space lizards. It is upto the person making the claim to provide proof of this. It's got nothing to do with keeping an open mind.

It has everything to do with keeping an open mind. No one is saying we should believe its true or believe it to be complete nonsense, just accept that it is possible. Because it is.

 

[jojo]

Reptilian humanoids
In 1999, Icke wrote and published The Biggest Secret: The Book that Will Change the World, in which he identified the extraterrestrial Prison Warders as reptilians from the constellation Draco.They walk erect and appear to be human, living not only on the planets they come from, but also in caverns and tunnels under the earth. They have cross-bred with humans, which has created "hybrids" who are "possessed" by the full-blooded reptilians. The reptiles' hybrid reptilian-human DNA allows them to change from reptilian to human form if they consume human blood. Icke has drawn parallels with the 1980s science-fiction series V, in which the earth is taken over by reptiloid aliens disguised as humans.

etc....
Maybe its just a metaphor for "the work of the devil" ... devil, reptilian humanoids...greed.. Sauron...whatever you call it, it's the same result, people end up manipulated into fighting, argueing....

maybe I am just as mad...

 

[firecrest]

Apes manipulate fight and argue. Humans do to. Perhaps we do these things because we are apes not because we are reptiles and certainly nothing to do with evil forces.

 

[Morning Fox]

Apes manipulate fight and argue. Humans do to. Perhaps we do these things because we are apes not because we are reptiles and certainly nothing to do with evil forces.

Oh of course, certainly. This man knows all!

 

[jojo]

"Evil" as a concept is just another human invention to justify and exonerate our own behaviour. Do evil during the week, go to church on Sunday to ask for forgiveness from god and all is well....

With clever wordage, we can justify anything we do.. Just listen to any politician, from anywhere, on any day of the week.

 

[TallMikeM]

It has everything to do with keeping an open mind. No one is saying we should believe its true or believe it to be complete nonsense, just accept that it is possible. Because it is.

all things are possible, but nothing is true until it is proven. You make the claim, you prove it. You can't get more open minded than that.

 

[Glen]

etc....
Maybe its just a metaphor for "the work of the devil" ... devil, reptilian humanoids...greed.. Sauron...whatever you call it, it's the same result, people end up manipulated into fighting, argueing....

maybe I am just as mad...

I did see an interview with him some years ago where he was asked if he meant it as a metophor or literally, he confirmed that he did mean it literally.

The shape shifting reptilian thing ( I hesitate to elevate it to the level of a theory ) has some serious flaws sush as all those that have had a serious medial examination, if the DNA is identical to human DNA ( in that suposed form ) then it follows that they would be unable to shift back or reproduce reptillian DNA once they had changed to it as the body will have all the limitations of a human body.

Given that there is a greater change from reptillian to human form than there is from a somewhat broken human form to a healthy one why would some of those he claims as reptilian shift into a broken form and not a healthy one, eg the Queen's Mother and her hip operation.

The keeping an open mind to any possibility debate also has some serious flaw, at least in practice.

If you postulate that in just about anything is possible then you have to accept that withing those possibilities it's also possible that we live in a particular universe that doesn't have paranormal phenomena, most of the evidence seems to point to that.

 

[Glen]

AND once AGAIN

If you were to say the earth was round - in the wrong time - you would have been burnt at the stake...........................................

What is wrong today ...---...could be right tomorrow...

Certiainly in some cultrures that was true but I think part of the clue as to why it was perpetuated can been seen if you emphasise the word "say".

However I think you'll find that was also ture of beliveing in one type of Christianity during the Spanish Inquisitions.

If you consider sailors, navigators and shore dwellers watching ships come in and out, it doesn't take very far before they start dropping over the horizon curve, eg a viking longship with sail up, As they do so the top, in good weather, is clearly visible first/ last ( depending on if going in or out ) and evelvating yourself, say by climbing a tree or hill, will give you a full view for longer. These are clear indications of a curvature but not a blurring into the distance. It would be fallacy to thing that these people were not sophisticated enough to realise it.