Good question.
Does adding up in ones head to give change back from shopping making one more intelligent than punching figures into a calculator or till?
Does using spellcheck ( but not learning from it ) do the same?
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Good question.
Does adding up in ones head to give change back from shopping making one more intelligent than punching figures into a calculator or till?
Does using spellcheck ( but not learning from it ) do the same?
Depends how you use it, it can be a great research time saver, allowing you the time to check it's sources and decide whether you agree or use it for further analysis/decisions.
Unless it's not an important query, it's still unwise to just accept it as gospel accuracy.
Unless it's not an important query, it's still unwise to just accept it as gospel accuracy.
For me, it's not about intelligence but productivity. I am currently working on a project that I had originally planned would take me about 18 months (part-time) - I have spent two months tuning how I lay out the problem and define the process to AI and testing its output; the work will be completed in about 90 days and most of that time is my manual tasks.
I feel you have changed the terms and supplanted Intelligence with Productivity - I can see how we will differ on this.
It takes intelligence to use a tool appropriately, it takes a lack of intelligence (or learned intelligence aka wisdom) to use a tool in a way which is detrimental to the outcome you're trying to achieve.
Relying on AI to do your thinking at the expense of developing or improving your own ability to think would seem to fall into the latter bucket.
Relying on AI to do your thinking at the expense of developing or improving your own ability to think would seem to fall into the latter bucket.
AI can't 'do your thinking'. It can find things, carry out mundane, repetitive, data manipulation tasks at very high speed, search a very high number of sources, apply consistent rules to text and data manipulation, it can propose structure to quite complex planning. But, it's the same as any coding - rubbish in = rubbish out; one has to learn how to drive it.
You can use it as a substitute for thinking, and some people do so at the expense of their own ability to think. So in that sense it can do your thinking, in the same way that a mechanical robot can do your lifting for you. If you rely on it to do so inappropriately, you won’t develop the muscles you need to lift things you otherwise may be able to.
I'm sorry, you and I have a different definition of 'thinking' then. It's a different kind of thinking that enables one to ask the right question (or provide the best prompt) to result in a worthwhile answer (or a completed task). Even when we were coding by hand, we spent about 50% time defining and designing, just 25% coding ('cos when well designed the coding was trivial) and 25% testing. The 'thinking' was all in the definition.
And anyway.... when one gets to my age, when every new thing I learn causes two things to fall out of the other side, it means I can do stuff that I could do years ago but would struggle with now. I'm hoping that in the next year or so I'll have a permanent AI chip embedded
Actually, I'm reminded of something I read a few months back, that stated we have lost a great deal of our ability to hold things in memory since humanity developed writing and reading. In other words, it's all happened before
I have no objection to using AI by the way, I use it all the time at work to do things that otherwise would just take me a huge, needless time investment.
I just see people use it as a replacement for having to think or research for themselves fairly often outside of the work setting.
I just see people use it as a replacement for having to think or research for themselves fairly often outside of the work setting.
When was the online search engine invented? You think it didnt use AI from the off?
Public sector get tech 10 years or more after private sector do...
If the AI we have available for public use is a cause for concern, then you've not thought about it enough.
What do you think private/military are using? Grok?
AI is what people make of it. Is it useful? Yes, very much so.
Example... Here is a question i asked Grok a couple of days ago. Regarding making a Dry aging/curing chamber that needs to maintain specific temp and humidity. I had previously searched quite a lot and was still confused as to what the hell i was supposed to do... Grok cleared it up in a few mins.
Public sector get tech 10 years or more after private sector do...
If the AI we have available for public use is a cause for concern, then you've not thought about it enough.
What do you think private/military are using? Grok?
AI is what people make of it. Is it useful? Yes, very much so.
Example... Here is a question i asked Grok a couple of days ago. Regarding making a Dry aging/curing chamber that needs to maintain specific temp and humidity. I had previously searched quite a lot and was still confused as to what the hell i was supposed to do... Grok cleared it up in a few mins.
I think my main concern is that intelligence derives ( I believe ) from creativity - thinking up new solutions to unanswered questions and problems.
If thinking for oneself is the grind , and the reward is independent thoughtful solution or new creative way then I wonder if we become accustomed to not doing that part of it , we will become less creative in solution finding as a concept.
Not sure if i've managed to articulate that quite as well as I wanted but the gist is in there.
If thinking for oneself is the grind , and the reward is independent thoughtful solution or new creative way then I wonder if we become accustomed to not doing that part of it , we will become less creative in solution finding as a concept.
Not sure if i've managed to articulate that quite as well as I wanted but the gist is in there.
I understand what you mean mate.
Its a weird thing to think about.
2 sides to the coin really... Do we remember less, because we use things to remember it for us... Writing, Computers, phones etc... Or do we use writing, computers, phones etc because there's just too many things to remember these days?
When i was a lad, i remembered all phone numbers i needed to remember... but that was a small amount... half a dozen maybe.... If i was a lad now, could i remember 100 phone numbers, 100 email addys, 100 passwords all at once? I highly doubt it in all honesty.
Brains are like hard drives. They have a finite storage capacity. Add to that, that the higher levels of info they need to process may have caused some form of evolution where we have upgraded the processor, but couldn't afford the RAM upgrade all at once... So we outsourced that bit, for now... An external hard drive, to allow the internal to focus on process, rather than memory...
Can you imagine what it'll be like if Elon gets Neuralink sorted?
Mmm... measures of intelligence rarely use 'creativity' as far as I'm aware. I think 'intelligence' takes many forms. Some of the most 'clever' people I have known (so, people that know a lot, remember facts, or can do complex maths etc.) didn't have a grain of creativity. Us lesser plebs were responsible for having ideas and proposing solutions in the research establishment that I worked in - the clever people then 'calculated' whether it could be made to work.
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When a new equational answer is created - lets say E=MC2 , was that not creative intelligence at work? The 1st proposal to an unanswered question?
I'm aware of what tests MENSA and the like do use to gauge various type of intelligence but isn't the hardest most unique part of thinking being the 1st one to think in that way and apply it??
The adage of standing on the shoulders of giants seems to infer that they were Giants because they were Rare and Unique.
Srinivasa Ramanujan - Wikipedia
MENSA dont gauge 'various' types of intelligence. They use a standard, supervised, timed test. They test IQ only. IQ is officially measured as 'speed of thought/mind',
When a new equational answer is created - lets say E=MC2 , was that not creative intelligence at work? The 1st proposal to an unanswered question?
I'm aware of what tests MENSA and the like do use to gauge various type of intelligence but isn't the hardest most unique part of thinking being the 1st one to think in that way and apply it??
The adage of standing on the shoulders of giants seems to infer that they were Giants because they were Rare and Unique.
Srinivasa Ramanujan - Wikipedia
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I took their tests... passed comfortably... paid £25 for a years membership and got a fancy looking card... Stopped paying after 2 years because other than a card... you get jack. Well, you get invites to conferences/meetings Which are always a million miles away... and when you do go... People either hide in corners looking like they just want to go home.... or gather around those who like the sound of their own voice/superiority. Wasn't a fan... 2 years was the only £50 they'll ever get from me. They can stick their fancy card up their a55
Boom.
Mensa
Mensa's eight types of intelligence are as follows:- Linguistic Intelligence: The ability to use language, including words, phrases, and sentences, to express oneself and to understand others.
- Logical-Mathematical Intelligence: The ability to think logically, reason, and understand concepts in mathematics and the sciences.
- Spatial Intelligence: The ability to think in three dimensions, to visualize, and to understand spatial relationships.
- Musical Intelligence: The ability to think and act in a musical context, including the ability to create and interpret music.
- Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence: The ability to use physical movement and coordination to perform physical tasks.
- Interpersonal Intelligence: The ability to understand and interact with people.
- Intrapersonal Intelligence: The ability to understand oneself and to reflect on one's own thoughts and feelings.
- Naturalistic Intelligence: The ability to observe and understand natural phenomena and to use knowledge of the environment to solve problems.
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These intelligences are not mutually exclusive; individuals can have varying strengths in each area. Understanding these intelligences can help individuals identify their strengths and develop strategies for learning and personal growth.
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In 2005... There was one test, which you took twice with different questions, but the same thing was measured on both. Thats personal experience... not google.
BOOOM!!
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