All CAT ones. The others you find such as on Amazon (Rhino and the like) are not consistently strong enough and it’s an item not worth saving pennies on.
5 myths about Tourniquets.
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All CAT ones. The others you find such as on Amazon (Rhino and the like) are not consistently strong enough and it’s an item not worth saving pennies on.
Yeah, but go to Medisave or reflex medical and you’ll find they are half the price of Amazon
Combat Application Tourniquet (CAT)
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Amazon has a problem with counterfeits that I wouldn’t want to risk with these, personally.
But yes, those are the correct ones if authentic.
I’ve always been taught single use as per manufacturer’s instruction.
I’ve got some very old ones for training, used up to 40 times a year for at least 5 years. They look a little frayed but still work ok, the Velcro is starting to give a little now.
I’ve got some very old ones for training, used up to 40 times a year for at least 5 years. They look a little frayed but still work ok, the Velcro is starting to give a little now.
Slightly out left field, but I was clearing out a group First Aid kit last week....and there is a very out of date (how ? what can go off ?) sealed Israeli pressure bandage in it. Ten years + ago they were considered a standard bushcrafting FAK staple.
I confess I'm reluctant to throw this away.
I confess I'm reluctant to throw this away.
They degrade and the packaging containing them degrades to the point that sterility is compromised.
They are great bits of kit, though OLAES bandages these days are preferred. Perhaps keep it for training or emergencies as a backup?
Per annum, what is the likely number of CAT and ad hoc tourniquets being applied by professionals and amateurs in the UK?
I would suspect in the tens at most but I'd love to know the actual number. First aid and first aiders attracts a lot of scenario gurus but the actual use and deployment is dramatically different.
I would suspect in the tens at most but I'd love to know the actual number. First aid and first aiders attracts a lot of scenario gurus but the actual use and deployment is dramatically different.
AI Overview
It is impossible to determine the exact number of tourniquets applied in the UK in 2024. There is no central registry or reporting system that tracks tourniquet use in the UK, and the information is not publicly available. Additionally, tourniquet application can vary greatly depending on the context, including military, emergency services, and civilian first aid.
Here's why it's difficult to get a specific number:
It is impossible to determine the exact number of tourniquets applied in the UK in 2024. There is no central registry or reporting system that tracks tourniquet use in the UK, and the information is not publicly available. Additionally, tourniquet application can vary greatly depending on the context, including military, emergency services, and civilian first aid.
Here's why it's difficult to get a specific number:
- No Central Reporting:
There isn't a central authority that collects data on all tourniquet applications in the UK. - Varying Contexts:
Tourniquets are used in a variety of settings, including military operations, emergency medical services (like ambulances), and civilian first aid. Each context may have different reporting practices, or none at all. - Public vs. Private Use:
Many tourniquet applications are likely to occur in private settings or by individuals trained in first aid, where there would be no formal reporting. - Confidentiality:
Some tourniquet applications might be part of confidential medical or military procedures, and the data would not be publicly released.
Is that the Google AI overview? I would not trust that at all if I were you. It's mostly nonsense. Definitely don't trust it with anything medical related, it's even been known to recommend people take action which would be fatal.
My governing body train that TQ’s should be applied:
Catastrophic bleed**
Traumatic amputation (bleeding or not)
Any bleed that cannot be controlled by direct pressure
For catastrophic bleed just read big bleed. A cat bleed may or may not spurt blood (you get 45 seconds of this at best).
If you put an axe or chainsaw into your leg I personally wouldn’t wait to see if it displayed the classic signs but get a TQ on then check fully, but then we are taught to safely remove them if not necessary (up to 90 minutes)
I watched a great demo recently of a tree surgeon who had a sim injury, got a TQ on in the tree then safely dropped under rope control in about 30 seconds.
Others training may differ, I’m not out to undermine anyone or such.
Catastrophic bleed**
Traumatic amputation (bleeding or not)
Any bleed that cannot be controlled by direct pressure
For catastrophic bleed just read big bleed. A cat bleed may or may not spurt blood (you get 45 seconds of this at best).
If you put an axe or chainsaw into your leg I personally wouldn’t wait to see if it displayed the classic signs but get a TQ on then check fully, but then we are taught to safely remove them if not necessary (up to 90 minutes)
I watched a great demo recently of a tree surgeon who had a sim injury, got a TQ on in the tree then safely dropped under rope control in about 30 seconds.
Others training may differ, I’m not out to undermine anyone or such.
Hey WG, where were you told to remove if not necessary (up to 90 minutes) Thanks.
Hi Pupers, I was told this during my instructors course in 2021 and has been confirmed each year during my re qualification and teaching assessment since, it’s also in my organisations teaching notes.
There is/was a drive to promote TQ use for life threatening bleeds more, through previous training people were looking for the big gushing spurting wounds and therefore weren’t using them, so we changed the training.
The idea of safe removal is that if you happen across a motorcycle accident there may be blood coming from the bottom of their bike trousers but it will take precious time to cut the leathers/kevlar jeans off, so bash on a TQ high to stop the bleeding whilst you get to skin level, you can then assess the injury and decide whether a TQ is required.
Other organisations may be different so I’d encourage all to follow their training
There is/was a drive to promote TQ use for life threatening bleeds more, through previous training people were looking for the big gushing spurting wounds and therefore weren’t using them, so we changed the training.
The idea of safe removal is that if you happen across a motorcycle accident there may be blood coming from the bottom of their bike trousers but it will take precious time to cut the leathers/kevlar jeans off, so bash on a TQ high to stop the bleeding whilst you get to skin level, you can then assess the injury and decide whether a TQ is required.
Other organisations may be different so I’d encourage all to follow their training
