Plant I.D, Weld, Reseda luteola

[Toddy]

Incidentally, if you want to have a go yourself, George Weil has been in business so long that I've forgotten when I first bought from them.
Good stuff, prices, etc., are fair, and they're helpful too.

Natural Dyes | Fibrecrafts Natural Dyeing Supplies

A range of natural dyes and tannins for creating colours on fabrics, yarns and fibres. Buy everything you need to get started with natural dyeing

www.georgeweil.com

Kemtex have a really clear set of data sheets for the chemicals used in dyeing.

Safety Data Sheets

Kemtex Dyes full range of safety data sheets. Acid Dyes, Procion MX Dyes, Dyrect Dyes, Auxiliary Chemicals, Dyacid Dyes, Dysperse Dyes and more.

www.kemtex.co.uk

 

[TLM]

Hmmm ... I believe there are some trees that have not yet reached their pre ice age distribution. In Finland at the moment Pinus peuce and Picea omorica are considered such. So when they finally reach here again what are they? Looks to me that the forming of the English channel does not really make sense as a cut off point.

 

[Toddy]

I will alter that to Indigenous

Hmmm ... I believe there are some trees that have not yet reached their pre ice age distribution. In Finland at the moment Pinus peuce and Picea omorica are considered such. So when they finally reach here again what are they? Looks to me that the forming of the English channel does not really make sense as a cut off point.

Well, maybe if your British, or Irish, Manx, Cornish ? Orcadian, or Shetland Islander ?

I take your point though

 

[Broch]

This is the reason some people don't get invited to parties..

OK, I take your point, but when it comes to plant (and fungus) ID, nomenclature, and classification, I believe it's important to be accurate. We cannot just change definitions because we don't like how the relevant organisations, such as the BSBI, describe them.

 

[TeeDee]

OK, I take your point, but when it comes to plant (and fungus) ID, nomenclature, and classification, I believe it's important to be accurate. We cannot just change definitions because we don't like how the relevant organisations, such as the BSBI, describe them.

I'll bite a little because potentially I have Rabies...

So it was only at Post #38

Unfortunately, because it's not native, it's not in my database

That because its not in your database ( parameters of what is in your data base and the selection of down to yourself ) that the thread took a bit of a divergence regarding what is Native vs what some consider non Native and lots of other words that hurt my brain-fink.

Whilst I've enjoyed getting to potential erudite He-says , She-Says of what is and isn't native ( and it has been educational ) its been a little of a divergent pathway of how the thread started out - and I get that how things can spiral off to explore topics others want to discuss.

I thought it would be good to explore and collate species of plants growing in the UK ( regardless of their provenance ) that produce or have the ability to produce plant related dyes.

Field Madder (Sherardia arvensis) is a common arable weed. Prefers light soil but will grow most places south of Scotland.

Wild Madder (Rubia peregrina) is localised mainly southern British coast - prefers rocky environments near the sea

Both native.

Woad (Isatis tinctoria) is not native

I enjoy your posts Broch - I'd love to see your data base produced at some point and overall I have a lot of time for you ( not something I say much ) but I do feel ( politely ) you've gone somewhat out your way to apply a set of chosen parameters to this thread.

Anyhooooo...

 

[Broch]

I enjoy your posts Broch - I'd love to see your data base produced at some point and overall I have a lot of time for you ( not something I say much ) but I do feel ( politely ) you've gone somewhat out your way to apply a set of chosen parameters to this thread.

Anyhooooo...

Yep, OK, but it is a passion of mine and it was you that said specifically that you wanted wild native plants (post #53). It's not my set of parameters, but those of such organisations as the BSBI and others (i.e. the professionals in the field).

I'll back of from the whole native/indigenous/introduced/naturalised discussion and ignore the inaccuracies - it may take a bit of self control

 

[TeeDee]

Yep, OK, but it is a passion of mine and it was you that said specifically that you wanted wild native plants (post #53). It's not my set of parameters, but those of such organisations as the BSBI and others (i.e. the professionals in the field).

I'll back of from the whole native/indigenous/introduced/naturalised discussion and ignore the inaccuracies - it may take a bit of self control

Post 53 was posted I felt obliged to appease your path of purity.

@Toddy will correct me, but I believe the common Madder (Field Madder) does not produce as intense a red dye as Wild Madder - my point being, you may want to be more specific. There is a third, imported I believe, that is considered the best but I have no experience of using them.

 

[Broch]

Here is the outpouring from my database for plant dyes - to be honest there are more but they need further research. If no mordant is listed it means I haven't found a definitive one yet. It is worth noting that the descriptions of colours vary considerably between different references.

Common Name	Sci. Name	Mordant	Colour
Agrimony	Agrimonia eupatoria		Yellow
Alder bark	Alnus glutinosa		Red
Alder seed	Alnus glutinosa		Green
Alder shoots	Alnus glutinosa		yellow
Alder wood	Alnus glutinosa		pink
Alder Buckthorn bark	Frangula alnus		Yellow-brown
Bedstraw	Galium verum		Coral
Bramble berry	Rubus fruticosus agg.		Purple
Bramble root	Rubus fruticosus agg.		Orange
Bramble shoots	Rubus fruticosus agg.		Black
Buckthorn bark	Rhamnus cathartica		Blue & Green
Buckthorn berries	Rhamnus cathartica	Alum	Saffron
Cleavers root	Galium aparine	Alum	Red
Coltsfoot	Tussilago farfara	Ferrous sulphate	Green
Common Ragwort	Senecio jacobaea		Green-yellow
Common Sorrel	Rumex acetosa		Green-yellow
Dandelion	Taraxacum agr.	Alum	Light yellow
Dandelion	Taraxacum agr.		Purple/red
Dog Rose hips	Rosa canina	Alum	Grey-pink
Elder root	Sambucus nigra	Alum	Dark yellow
Elderberry	Sambucus nigra	Alum	Pale blue/lilac
Elderberry	Sambucus nigra	Chrome	Purple
Fat-hen	Chenopodium album		Golden-red
Field Madder	Sherardia arvensis	Alum & tartar	Bright red
Field Madder	Sherardia arvensis	Chrome	Dark red
Goat Willow	Salix caprea	Alum	Pink-tan
Goat Willow + ash	Salix caprea		Purple
Golden rod	Solidago virgaurea	Alum	Tan
Golden rod	Solidago virgaurea	Chrome	Aged gold
Meadowsweet	Filipendula ulmaria	Alum	Green-yellow
Meadowsweet	Filipendula ulmaria	Ferrous sulphate	Black
Nettle	Urtica dioica	Alum	Green-yellow
Nettle root	Urtica dioica	Alum	Yellow
St John’s wort	Hypericum perforatum	Alcohol	Dark red
St John’s wort	Hypericum perforatum	Vinegar	Crimson
St John’s wort	Hypericum perforatum	Alum	Green-yellow
Tansy	Tanacetum vulgare	Alum	Yellow
Thyme	Thymus polytrichus	Alum	Grey-gold
Thyme	Thymus polytrichus	Tin	Yellow
Tormentil	Potenttila erecta		Red
Wild Cherry bark	Prunus avium		Yellow
Wild Cherry fruit	Prunus avium		Blue-grey
Wood avens	Geum urbanum		Orange-brown
Yarrow leaves	Achillea millefolium		Yellow
Yellow flag rhyzome	Iris pseudacorus		Black ink
Yellow flag rhyzome	Iris pseudacorus		Dark green