Types of Wool, Wool clothing

  • Come along to the amazing Summer Moot (21st July - 2nd August), a festival of bushcrafting and camping in a beautiful woodland PLEASE CLICK HERE for more information.

Phaestos

Full Member
Sep 8, 2012
374
0
Manchester
Hey guys,

After investing in some wool socks, and almost immediately feeling the benefits, plus a desire to head arctic-ward next year, I've begun to look more at wool clothing. 2 questions have arisen:

1: Does the thickness of the wool matter? As in, I just bought a 82% Lambswool, 8% Cashmere jumper from a charity shop for £10 (Sooooo comfy :D). Its thin, but tightly woven. Will the weave make up for the thickness? Should I be looking for thicker as a standard?

2: Does the type of wool matter? Apart from fineness of the fibres, is there any thermal difference between lambs, alpaca, new, or standard wool? Or any of the various types out there? Can I buy one type and expect just the same performance?

Cheers,
 
Hey guys,

After investing in some wool socks, and almost immediately feeling the benefits, plus a desire to head arctic-ward next year, I've begun to look more at wool clothing. 2 questions have arisen:

1: Does the thickness of the wool matter? As in, I just bought a 82% Lambswool, 8% Cashmere jumper from a charity shop for £10 (Sooooo comfy :D). Its thin, but tightly woven. Will the weave make up for the thickness? Should I be looking for thicker as a standard?


2: Does the type of wool matter? Apart from fineness of the fibres, is there any thermal difference between lambs, alpaca, new, or standard wool? Or any of the various types out there? Can I buy one type and expect just the same performance?

Cheers,

Same rules for wool as any other fabric. The thicker the wool the more air it can trap and therefore the more insulating it is. The tighter the weave the more wind resistant it will be. Therefore the weave will only make up for the thickness if you are wearing it without anything on top in wind.

As for types, cashmere is the warmest pound for pound but is delicate and does not deal so well with rain. Alpaca is stronger than cashmere and only slightly less warm imho but loses shape easily. Lambswool is generally softer and merino, used for baselayers, is finer and therefore less itchy.

If you want a thick jumper for this country's climate, look for something in shetland wool - that's great stuff.

Of course you can also go down the wool shirt route and there are thick wool jackets like the Swedish army tunic, that will stand up to just about anything. If you are looking for a tightly woven, tough jumper which is still decently warm, check out the Ganseys, fishermans' jumpers knitted on Jersey and Guernsey and widely available.
 
>>>> 1: Does the thickness of the wool matter? As in, I just bought a 82% Lambswool, 8% Cashmere jumper from a charity shop for £10 (Sooooo comfy
biggrin.png
). Its thin, but tightly woven. Will the weave make up for the thickness? Should I be looking for thicker as a standard?

The weave, or knit, is very important. The thicker, denser the weave the better the wind resistance. Your lambswool/cashmere is perfect, it will be very warm. Thicker is not necessarily better, it depends on the wool, the weave is more important.


>>> 2: Does the type of wool matter? Apart from fineness of the fibres, is there any thermal difference between lambs, alpaca, new, or standard wool? Or any of the various types out there? Can I buy one type and expect just the same performance?

Types of wool are important, different purposes ... the fineness and length of the fibres makes quite a difference to the warmth, how comfortable it is, how hardwearing it is. It's best to have a look through the info below and choose, say, Herdwick outer socks over shetland or mohair inner socks for instance; think the same way with hats, jumpers, etc. Woven cloth is different to knitted as well, different purposes and good points. Wool is different to mohair and cashmere which are hair from goats instead of sheep. Wool is fire resistant too. Alpaca is different again and similar tto mohair. Merino wool is vastly publicised as being the best thing since sliced cat-food but that's much of a marketing ploy from the firms selling the kit. It is good stuff, but not for everything. Mixing natural fibres with synthetic can be useful but don't go for more than 10% of synthetic or you lose the good of the wool.

I know I put this up somewhere last year but can't find it, so here it is again ...

Wool Types


Merino 18.5-25.5 microns so it is the finest wool in terms of strand thickness, 75-80mm length of staple (i.e. each strand length). Good for thin garments like underwear, delicate jumpers and machine knitting. Often from South Africa

Blue Faced Leicester 26 Micron so very fine, 85-90mm and medium long. Good lustre with good resilience and highly prized for its likeness to mohair.

Shetland 29-31mic thickness so thicker than Merino, 90mm staple so longer than merino: fine, soft and silky to the touch with a good, bulky down characteristic, has good lustre. Good for anything, jumpers, vests, socks, gloves, can be knitted very fine or thicker for gloves and socks, outer garments.

Welsh 31-35 microns so thicker than both Merino & Shetland, 80-100mm so longer than both Shetland and Merino. The only pure black sheep in the UK. I find it works best for socks and jumpers.

Jacob 33-35 Micron so fairly thick, 85-95mm so short. Rough, tough stuff, good welly-socks. It’s not as “carpet” as Herdwick!

Icelandic 34-36 Micron so thicker than all the above, 90-100mm so similar to welsh in length. Good lustre, one of the best felting wools in the world; lightweight, water repellent and breathable. Good for outer garments.

Herdwick 40 microns so thick, 85-90mm so short. A coarse quality hard wearing wool commonly known as “carpet sheep”. It makes great boot socks that are really hardwearing – even my husband doesn’t get through the heels !!!

Teeswater 40-60microns so very thick, 150-300mm staple so very long, it’s also curly and lustrous. It’s long length makes it much nicer to the touch than Herdwick although it’s thicker. Makes good thick wool for tough outer garments.

Cheviot 30-35microns so about as thick as Welsh and similar in length, 80-100mm. The fleece varies in quality from fine to coarse, not too crimpy and quite resilient, so good for filling purposes, like cushions.

Devon 40-60microns so quite thick but very long at 200-250mm. It’s very heavy wool, good for felting and excellent for knitwear and woven fabrics.

Swaledale 35-45microns and length, 100-200mm. Predominantly used in carpet yarns and rug yarns due to its excellent resilience and hardwearing properties. Not tried it but I suspect it might make good boot socks too.

Wensleydale 40-50microns and 200-300mm long. It’s a lustrous long-wool, often blended with finer but shorter stapled wools, where a strong yarn is required.

Hebridean Micron count from 33-38. Staple length of 2-6 in/5-15cm but can be up to 9 inches. Their black or dark brown fleece ranges from fine to coarse, depending on age and turns gray as the sheep ages. The frizzy undercoat gives wonderful bounce and resilience to the wool. Came to Britain in the Bronze Age about 4000 years ago. A fleece weighs about 3-9 lbs/1.5-4 kg. Itt enables them to withstand the severest Atlantic storms!
 
Last edited:
I have relatives who farm Wensleydales; they find the only market for the wool is carpets.

From your description, that's ridiculous, and the Wensleydale fleece would weave to make wonderfully robust outer garments.

What happens to the long, thick staple wools if you try to felt them?
 
Jacob 33-35 Micron so fairly thick, 85-95mm so short. Rough, tough stuff, maybe welly-socks. It’s not as “carpet” as Herdwick!


BB (Mrs Red) uses undyed Jacob for the "outdoor" cardigans she knits to her own designs. It is lovely stuff - nice and tough, holds a good shape.

9144634_orig.jpg


Very much like the old "wooly pully" in feel I think
 
Im guessing you are looking at this with your nothern forest head on so here is my tuppence. I thing Elen and Garaint have covered the technical aspect very well

For exped i think several thinner layers are the best approach as it will allow you effectively moderate your temperature depending on the level of activity and it will also aid your overall weight and pack size too. I use woolpower gear in 200 400 and 600 weights. The 400 and 600 are actually quite thin but utilize a looped pile on the inside which increase their effectiveness at trapping heat, they also have thumb hoops on the cuffs to stop them riding up. you could achieve the same effect with surplus gear though as there are a lot of high wool content layers about that forces use.
 
We've got stickies about things like steel, and wood already. Lots of good technical information in here. How about making this a sticky too, mods?

:)
 
Last edited:
I have relatives who farm Wensleydales; they find the only market for the wool is carpets.

From your description, that's ridiculous, and the Wensleydale fleece would weave to make wonderfully robust outer garments.

What happens to the long, thick staple wools if you try to felt them?

I don't felt, or only by accident! People got into mass production and lost the knowledge and skills, perhaps coming back if folk like us want stuff. If you have the opportunity, try the wools out. Online shop World of Wool will sell you 100g and trial packs of the various wools for a couple of quid. Worth giving it a go so you get the feel of the stuff without spending a fortune.

behind every creative woman there's usually a very talented cat ...
 
Im guessing you are looking at this with your nothern forest head on so here is my tuppence. I thing Elen and Garaint have covered the technical aspect very well

For exped i think several thinner layers are the best approach as it will allow you effectively moderate your temperature depending on the level of activity and it will also aid your overall weight and pack size too. I use woolpower gear in 200 400 and 600 weights. The 400 and 600 are actually quite thin but utilize a looped pile on the inside which increase their effectiveness at trapping heat, they also have thumb hoops on the cuffs to stop them riding up. you could achieve the same effect with surplus gear though as there are a lot of high wool content layers about that forces use.

Like the style ideas, if I see you this w/end do show me so I can incorporate into what I knit :). Trapping warm air from your own body heat is something wool does so well. It also breathes. And you have to have been wearing it a long time before you stink!

behind every creative woman there's usually a very talented cat ...
 
Used to wear herdwick wool jumpers. The wool was not as treated as some shop bought wool and had a natural repellency built in.

I have no idea what wool my best ever "softshell" jumper was. /Parents bought from a shop on a Greek Island (yes, a very thick and warm jumper made on a warm, greek Island!! doesn't make sense.). It was thick, densely knitted and had its natural oils and I think lanolin still on the fibres so it shed surprising well any moisture from snow, sleet and even rain up to a point. Great winter hill walking layer. It coped with wind because it was thick and had a dense knit (especially on the outer face). it was itchy though just like my old herdwick jumpers. They all had fine fibres sticking out on the sruface too which I think probably had some benefit.

Wool is great for a lot of uses I think but I still prefer the lightness and durability of my synthetic tops.
 
I don't felt, or only by accident! People got into mass production and lost the knowledge and skills, perhaps coming back if folk like us want stuff. If you have the opportunity, try the wools out. Online shop World of Wool will sell you 100g and trial packs of the various wools for a couple of quid. Worth giving it a go so you get the feel of the stuff without spending a fortune.
I was talking to MrsC about your info on the wool; she responded with "Well what do you want me to make you from Herdwick?". Turns out she has hanks of Herdwick and intended to knit me a jumper from it.
 
I think others have made a lot of good point. Yeas, thickness matters, so does weave. The type of wool matters, but in my opinion to a much lesser degree.

That being said, don't obsess over stuff like this. At some point it just becomes academic. If you are super focused on performance, then there are many materials these days that out perform wool. However, if you simply like it and want to use it, then get some clothing that fits you well and enjoy it. Properly fitted clothing will make a larger difference than all the rest.

If you are looking for particular clothing item combinations look at some historical examples: http://woodtrekker.blogspot.com/2011/12/early-20th-century-cold-weather.html
 
The durability of any fibre is largely based on two factors, its tensile strength and elasticity (e.g. when wet). Mohair has the second largest of tensile strength and the largest elasticity of all commercially available natural protein fibres, merino the smallest (due to the fineness of the fibre). In general, the amount of insulation provided by wool/mohair/alpaca is based on the fineness of the fibre, i.e. how small individual fibre is. Thus such fibres as angora, silk and vicuña provide more insulation per volume than e.g. merino wool.
 

BCUK Shop

We have a a number of knives, T-Shirts and other items for sale.

SHOP HERE