Please help me find a flat pack stove!

[spandit]

For those who might be having trouble envisaging how my stove fits together:

 

[Dave]

Not a stove per-se, but if you're wanting cheap, my Local Asda were flogging these BBQ boxes off for £7 each.

http://direct.asda.com/ASDA-Picnic-Box-BBQ/001670088,default,pd.html

I got one. Buckled almost immeadiately, but still useable, put a bit of sand/earth in the bottom for longevity and it should last a while.

do for the canoe i thought.

 

[Exploriment]

The guy is looking or advice on getting a bargain on the perfect stove that suits him, if I remember correctly he didnt ask for an opinion on how he goes about his business, or ask for anyone to comment on what he shouldn't and should not be asking for.

He can ask for whatever he likes in whatever way he wants!!!

If you have a problem with it don't read it rather than leave silly responses that serve no purpose other than to belittle him or cause some sort of friction!!!

Unless you have something worth saying or a decent suggestion I suggest you push on and go and put your comments somewhere else!!!

Well that message was certainly a lot more impact-full due to the excessive use of exclamation marks.

See, that is an example of sarcasm.

People are free to ask any question they wish on a forum, no matter how insipid it may be. And there is no obligation on any one answering that question to follow the protocols you seem to think are mandatory. No one has to be cheerful, loquacious, phony friendly, indulgent of foolishness, etc. I, or anyone else is free not to offer up an answer that suffices the posters fantastical desire, but instead point out how farcical a request it really is, how their question could just as easily have been answered by the most cursory of Google searches, that what they’re proposing is dangerous, expensive, stupid, etc., etc. Don’t like that? Don’t like the fact that I feel compelled to point out why a question is an inane one? Don’t like my matter of fact tone? Then don’t post questions on forums. I can answer a question in whatever manner I feel like. After more than a decade of frequenting forums, I can point out my many examples of helpful, in-depth responses as well as very curt statements that the poster performs tap dancing routines in clown shoes. It goes both ways with me. I am the most pragmatic, no-nonsense individual you are likely to meet. I dislike BS and find it impossible not to open my mouth and say what is on my mind. If I think you’re passing along advice that is faulty, I’ll tell you as much. If I think you’re a drip who is asking a question that has already been asked and answered numerous times, I’ll tell you. Etc. Conversely, if you post something that is genuinely worthwhile, educational, helpful, etc., I will tell you as much. I don’t particularly care that you don’t like the fact that I’m not willing to indulge yet another “I want the best, but I don’t want to pay for it” threads. And this forum seems to be rife with that petty mentality.

I’ll say it again. If you can’t perform a certain task, or fail to understand why performing a task might make a certain item the cost it does, and you then ask aloud why that item doesn’t cost what you imagine it ought to cost, instead of an answer that they want to hear, a poster might get an answer they don’t like: one that explains why their request is an unreasonable one. I did just that. There is no God-given right to receive what you want at the price you think it ought to be. That sometimes an item, if it is made of unusual material, complex manufacturing details, etc., and if made by a small scale maker, will cost a certain amount. That is the amount. If every avenue of investigation leads to evidence that an item made by a small manufacturer (read: one guy in is basement) needs to charge a given amount for an item to make it worth their while, then you pay that. Don’t like that? Then the very frank and hard-assed response needs to be that you get what you can afford. You get what you can get. Period. Maybe instead of hoping that someone can advice of an item just as good but at a fraction of the price, you need to look at alternative designs, not as desirable, but more affordable for your budget.

That likely flies in the face of your idea that all posts should be nice posts. After reading far too much nonsense from people on forums wondering why they can’t find a lightweight, ultra-compressable, super warm sleeping bag for under 25 dollars, or where can they find a backpack that is exactly the colour they want, hold everything they think they need, weigh nothing, be super comfy, be totally waterproof, oh and where can they find it cheap, etc., etc., etc., etc. questions, someone is bound to offer up an answer that’s like me - acerbic and forthright. It’s time to stop indulging every dumb question posed on forums.

There is always the “Ignore” button, and you are free to use it. Pip, pip, cheerio!

 

[mountainm]

Not a stove per-se, but if you're wanting cheap, my Local Asda were flogging these BBQ boxes off for £7 each.

http://direct.asda.com/ASDA-Picnic-Box-BBQ/001670088,default,pd.html

I got one. Buckled almost immeadiately, but still useable, put a bit of sand/earth in the bottom for longevity and it should last a while.

do for the canoe i thought.

On that note, i used one of tengus flat pack bbqs this weekend and it performed brilliantly. Way exceeded my expectations to be honest.

 

[dp0001]

Here's a cheap and effective thing that would do the job.

Get a large fat tin of baked beans - keep the beans to one side. With a nail and hammer (or drill) bang a load of holes in the side. If you want to add stuff without removing the pot, use a decent scissors and cut between some holes to make the vent hole you want. You can just about cut tins with household scissors.

If you want this to fold flat, use the tin opener to take off the bottom so you have a tube and push the tube flat. Pull it back into shape when you need it.

This idea can be evolved into two halves and a hinge, tent pegs and so on. As you only paid for the beans it's free.

If you have pliars you can bang several tins flat, (no not with the pliars, with a hammer ) and twist over the ends with the pliars such that they can 'hold hands' or with a tent peg to make a hinge. Or..... Point is tins are free, strong enough can be cut with scissors and banged into shape with a hammer..

Health and safety:
Metal tins are sharp, be careful
Have a practice burn or two in case there's a plastic coating and if it looks in any way galvanised use a different tin.

 

[woof]

Made a couple up today, i've used pieces from stoves i've made before, but they basicly consist of 3 sides & a base plate, which lifts the fire approx 50mm off the floor. There are 2 locking bars, which allow the 3 sides to be tightend up around the base plate making the stove rigid. The sides have airflow holes, but i think that with the front open there is no need for these, but they come from other stoves& i've just re-cycled them.
Sorry there is no photo's, but i'm a bit challenged in that dept, & they are normaly posted by my kids, who no longer live at home. Not tried a fire yet, but will do shortly.

Rob

 

[spandit]

Just had a Honey stove dropped off to have a look at (thanks widu13!). Quite novel & seems pretty sturdy but a bit fiddly to put together. They're getting on for £40 but as mentioned on previous threads to make one without an industrial cutting machine would be time consuming.

 

[woof]

Never used a honey stove, but have always heard good reports about them, however, i have always thought that you should be able to put the stove together while wearing mittens, something i've always kept in mind when making them.
Just had the 2 i made running, both have a similar burn rate.

Rob

 

[Karl82]

Vargo is a nice flat pack folding stove.

 

[789987]

Well that message was certainly a lot more impact-full due to the excessive use of exclamation marks.

See, that is an example of sarcasm.

People are free to ask any question they wish on a forum, no matter how insipid it may be. And there is no obligation on any one answering that question to follow the protocols you seem to think are mandatory. No one has to be cheerful, loquacious, phony friendly, indulgent of foolishness, etc. I, or anyone else is free not to offer up an answer that suffices the posters fantastical desire, but instead point out how farcical a request it really is, how their question could just as easily have been answered by the most cursory of Google searches, that what they’re proposing is dangerous, expensive, stupid, etc., etc. Don’t like that? Don’t like the fact that I feel compelled to point out why a question is an inane one? Don’t like my matter of fact tone? Then don’t post questions on forums. I can answer a question in whatever manner I feel like. After more than a decade of frequenting forums, I can point out my many examples of helpful, in-depth responses as well as very curt statements that the poster performs tap dancing routines in clown shoes. It goes both ways with me. I am the most pragmatic, no-nonsense individual you are likely to meet. I dislike BS and find it impossible not to open my mouth and say what is on my mind. If I think you’re passing along advice that is faulty, I’ll tell you as much. If I think you’re a drip who is asking a question that has already been asked and answered numerous times, I’ll tell you. Etc. Conversely, if you post something that is genuinely worthwhile, educational, helpful, etc., I will tell you as much. I don’t particularly care that you don’t like the fact that I’m not willing to indulge yet another “I want the best, but I don’t want to pay for it” threads. And this forum seems to be rife with that petty mentality.

I’ll say it again. If you can’t perform a certain task, or fail to understand why performing a task might make a certain item the cost it does, and you then ask aloud why that item doesn’t cost what you imagine it ought to cost, instead of an answer that they want to hear, a poster might get an answer they don’t like: one that explains why their request is an unreasonable one. I did just that. There is no God-given right to receive what you want at the price you think it ought to be. That sometimes an item, if it is made of unusual material, complex manufacturing details, etc., and if made by a small scale maker, will cost a certain amount. That is the amount. If every avenue of investigation leads to evidence that an item made by a small manufacturer (read: one guy in is basement) needs to charge a given amount for an item to make it worth their while, then you pay that. Don’t like that? Then the very frank and hard-assed response needs to be that you get what you can afford. You get what you can get. Period. Maybe instead of hoping that someone can advice of an item just as good but at a fraction of the price, you need to look at alternative designs, not as desirable, but more affordable for your budget.

That likely flies in the face of your idea that all posts should be nice posts. After reading far too much nonsense from people on forums wondering why they can’t find a lightweight, ultra-compressable, super warm sleeping bag for under 25 dollars, or where can they find a backpack that is exactly the colour they want, hold everything they think they need, weigh nothing, be super comfy, be totally waterproof, oh and where can they find it cheap, etc., etc., etc., etc. questions, someone is bound to offer up an answer that’s like me - acerbic and forthright. It’s time to stop indulging every dumb question posed on forums.

There is always the “Ignore” button, and you are free to use it. Pip, pip, cheerio!

all that time in the basement made you quite bitter then?

 

[crosslandkelly]

Well that message was certainly a lot more impact-full due to the excessive use of exclamation marks.

See, that is an example of sarcasm.

People are free to ask any question they wish on a forum, no matter how insipid it may be. And there is no obligation on any one answering that question to follow the protocols you seem to think are mandatory. No one has to be cheerful, loquacious, phony friendly, indulgent of foolishness, etc. I, or anyone else is free not to offer up an answer that suffices the posters fantastical desire, but instead point out how farcical a request it really is, how their question could just as easily have been answered by the most cursory of Google searches, that what they’re proposing is dangerous, expensive, stupid, etc., etc. Don’t like that? Don’t like the fact that I feel compelled to point out why a question is an inane one? Don’t like my matter of fact tone? Then don’t post questions on forums. I can answer a question in whatever manner I feel like. After more than a decade of frequenting forums, I can point out my many examples of helpful, in-depth responses as well as very curt statements that the poster performs tap dancing routines in clown shoes. It goes both ways with me. I am the most pragmatic, no-nonsense individual you are likely to meet. I dislike BS and find it impossible not to open my mouth and say what is on my mind. If I think you’re passing along advice that is faulty, I’ll tell you as much. If I think you’re a drip who is asking a question that has already been asked and answered numerous times, I’ll tell you. Etc. Conversely, if you post something that is genuinely worthwhile, educational, helpful, etc., I will tell you as much. I don’t particularly care that you don’t like the fact that I’m not willing to indulge yet another “I want the best, but I don’t want to pay for it” threads. And this forum seems to be rife with that petty mentality.

I’ll say it again. If you can’t perform a certain task, or fail to understand why performing a task might make a certain item the cost it does, and you then ask aloud why that item doesn’t cost what you imagine it ought to cost, instead of an answer that they want to hear, a poster might get an answer they don’t like: one that explains why their request is an unreasonable one. I did just that. There is no God-given right to receive what you want at the price you think it ought to be. That sometimes an item, if it is made of unusual material, complex manufacturing details, etc., and if made by a small scale maker, will cost a certain amount. That is the amount. If every avenue of investigation leads to evidence that an item made by a small manufacturer (read: one guy in is basement) needs to charge a given amount for an item to make it worth their while, then you pay that. Don’t like that? Then the very frank and hard-assed response needs to be that you get what you can afford. You get what you can get. Period. Maybe instead of hoping that someone can advice of an item just as good but at a fraction of the price, you need to look at alternative designs, not as desirable, but more affordable for your budget.

That likely flies in the face of your idea that all posts should be nice posts. After reading far too much nonsense from people on forums wondering why they can’t find a lightweight, ultra-compressable, super warm sleeping bag for under 25 dollars, or where can they find a backpack that is exactly the colour they want, hold everything they think they need, weigh nothing, be super comfy, be totally waterproof, oh and where can they find it cheap, etc., etc., etc., etc. questions, someone is bound to offer up an answer that’s like me - acerbic and forthright. It’s time to stop indulging every dumb question posed on forums.

There is always the “Ignore” button, and you are free to use it. Pip, pip, cheerio!

Oooh! get you. :borgsmile

 

[widu13]

Oooh! get you. :borgsmile

 

[Exploriment]

all that time in the basement made you quite bitter then?

No, I spend most of my time in this attic where I build cedar strip kayaks (and soon canoes as well) and paddles.

Or I’m working in a nicely appointed tattoo shop.

Other than that, out paddling or biking or hiking in the fantastic surroundings here.

Not a whole lot to be bitter about frankly.

 

[ex-member BareThrills]

No, I spend most of my time in this attic where I build cedar strip kayaks (and soon canoes as well) and paddles.

Or I’m working in a nicely appointed tattoo shop.

Other than that, out paddling or biking or hiking in the fantastic surroundings here.

Not a whole lot to be bitter about frankly.

I dont suppose you have any nice Kayaks i could buy for about £10?

FWIW i dont think the OP is saying the stoves from small makers are not worth the money, he is saying he cant easily afford them which i think is a very different thing. Ive always admired kit that i cant afford and sometimes for the sake of practicality ive had to purchase a cheaper alternative until funds permit. That being the case i will ask those who know what my options are for something good that costs less.

I think you come across as overly harsh in you posts. I like people who tell it how it is but sometimes harsh words are better softly spoken.

To the OP, for a very compact folding stove, funds permitting, id go for the vargo Ti hexaganal wood burner. It weighs nothing, will take a trangia burner and can be put together with gloves on. If funds dont permit and you want some stainless mesh to make one up give me a shout.

 

[spandit]

To the OP, for a very compact folding stove, funds permitting, id go for the vargo Ti hexaganal wood burner

Seems expensive
The blurb says "conical shape funnels heat upwards", that's good, a lot of my other stoves just direct it downwards

I maintain that these all seem a pricey way of making a hobo stove less convenient

 

[ex-member BareThrills]

I love a good hobo as much as the next man, in fact any bit of metal that holds bushcraft tv is fine with me. The vargo is a bit of gucci kit but for lightweight packable gear its hard to beat. I have the folding firebox from the states and that weighs a lot but its very very sturdy and will hold a big fire. it also has a bottom slide in heat guard under the grate to stop scorching which i like. if im in the car ill gladly use a hobo or similar.

I still think there is a place in the market for a honey type stove that is more ergonomic (read hinged) though.

 

[woof]

There was a passaround over on BB, of a hinged folding stove, that seems a fantastic idea.

Rob

 

[jacko1066]

Well that message was certainly a lot more impact-full due to the excessive use of exclamation marks.

See, that is an example of sarcasm.

People are free to ask any question they wish on a forum, no matter how insipid it may be. And there is no obligation on any one answering that question to follow the protocols you seem to think are mandatory. No one has to be cheerful, loquacious, phony friendly, indulgent of foolishness, etc. I, or anyone else is free not to offer up an answer that suffices the posters fantastical desire, but instead point out how farcical a request it really is, how their question could just as easily have been answered by the most cursory of Google searches, that what they’re proposing is dangerous, expensive, stupid, etc., etc. Don’t like that? Don’t like the fact that I feel compelled to point out why a question is an inane one? Don’t like my matter of fact tone? Then don’t post questions on forums. I can answer a question in whatever manner I feel like. After more than a decade of frequenting forums, I can point out my many examples of helpful, in-depth responses as well as very curt statements that the poster performs tap dancing routines in clown shoes. It goes both ways with me. I am the most pragmatic, no-nonsense individual you are likely to meet. I dislike BS and find it impossible not to open my mouth and say what is on my mind. If I think you’re passing along advice that is faulty, I’ll tell you as much. If I think you’re a drip who is asking a question that has already been asked and answered numerous times, I’ll tell you. Etc. Conversely, if you post something that is genuinely worthwhile, educational, helpful, etc., I will tell you as much. I don’t particularly care that you don’t like the fact that I’m not willing to indulge yet another “I want the best, but I don’t want to pay for it” threads. And this forum seems to be rife with that petty mentality.

I’ll say it again. If you can’t perform a certain task, or fail to understand why performing a task might make a certain item the cost it does, and you then ask aloud why that item doesn’t cost what you imagine it ought to cost, instead of an answer that they want to hear, a poster might get an answer they don’t like: one that explains why their request is an unreasonable one. I did just that. There is no God-given right to receive what you want at the price you think it ought to be. That sometimes an item, if it is made of unusual material, complex manufacturing details, etc., and if made by a small scale maker, will cost a certain amount. That is the amount. If every avenue of investigation leads to evidence that an item made by a small manufacturer (read: one guy in is basement) needs to charge a given amount for an item to make it worth their while, then you pay that. Don’t like that? Then the very frank and hard-assed response needs to be that you get what you can afford. You get what you can get. Period. Maybe instead of hoping that someone can advice of an item just as good but at a fraction of the price, you need to look at alternative designs, not as desirable, but more affordable for your budget.

That likely flies in the face of your idea that all posts should be nice posts. After reading far too much nonsense from people on forums wondering why they can’t find a lightweight, ultra-compressable, super warm sleeping bag for under 25 dollars, or where can they find a backpack that is exactly the colour they want, hold everything they think they need, weigh nothing, be super comfy, be totally waterproof, oh and where can they find it cheap, etc., etc., etc., etc. questions, someone is bound to offer up an answer that’s like me - acerbic and forthright. It’s time to stop indulging every dumb question posed on forums.

There is always the “Ignore” button, and you are free to use it. Pip, pip, cheerio!

It really is quite simple, if you don't like what your reading, ignore it!! That way your doing us all a favour!!

 

[jacko1066]

I love a good hobo as much as the next man, in fact any bit of metal that holds bushcraft tv is fine with me. The vargo is a bit of gucci kit but for lightweight packable gear its hard to beat. I have the folding firebox from the states and that weighs a lot but its very very sturdy and will hold a big fire. it also has a bottom slide in heat guard under the grate to stop scorching which i like. if im in the car ill gladly use a hobo or similar.

I still think there is a place in the market for a honey type stove that is more ergonomic (read hinged) though.

There is 1 on the market already Paul, it's called the element 2.2 stove and comes in titanium and stainless. But with the ti only £35 it seems like a bargain!!!

Edit- sorry it's not hexagonal at all it's square lol

 

[spandit]

Had a play in the woods with the Honey stove this morning. Once I got it going it was fine but couldn't help thinking that it was a glorified and fiddly hobo stove. It is pretty stable and I did manage to put it together with gloves. Once I let the fire go out, the bits cooled down fairly quickly but a canvas or leather bag would be a better proposition rather than the synthetic bag it came with. I admit that it's quite versatile as you can mount it in a square configuration and use a Trangia burner but it's not ultra-light (stainless version) and I feel that stoves like the BushBuddy that burn the wood more efficiently are probably a better bet