Words fail me!

[bb07]

I can remember when feeding cows their friends was considered a smart move.

Agreed!

I'll let the people that are a lot smarter than me carry on with their pet projects, and if I'm still alive twenty years from now I'll chuckle when things didn't go quite according to plan.
I don't have a whole lot of faith in some of our more learned fellows, but being a pessimist I suppose that's only natural....

 

[RonW]

Man should stop playing God. We are meddling with powers we have clearly shown not to be able to control. GMO, artificial creation of life or prolonging it, nuclear power etc.

It isn't just the concept of genetic modification. It is also the very way companies and scientists practising GM are acting in regard to fellow humans, animals and the world around them.
They have shown an utter disregard for those in the past on many, many occassions. Pollution of man, animal, water, air and land, destruction of habitat, propaganda, lies, bribery and corruption.... Those are not the actions of honest, caring and respectable companies or men. So why should I trust anything they tell me, when all their actions point at the opposite?
Not true? I am sure the some google-fu will spew out quite a few hits when you use words like Monsanto, Syngenta, BASF or Bayer Cropscience will keep you busy for a few winternights.

Yes, I know. The less well informed will be screaming murder now, but GM is NOT safe untill it can proven without a shadow of a doubt that the also the longterm effects will not be harmfull. And that they clearly can not. Animals and plants evolved into the being they are over thousands or millions of years for a reason. Us altering that is playing God.

Nuclear power is NOT safe untill we learn to master it. All is well, untill something goes wrong. A couple of stark reminders; Tsjernobyl and Fukushima. Yes, incidents... but with such far reaching consequences that they clearly show we can not control it. Thinking otherwise, to me, is just plain stupid or incredibly arrogant. I am sure there are many more incidents or near misses, but those 2 should be meaning something to anyone. The wasteproblem is a matter on it's own...

Yes, medical science has accomplished great things. Absolutely. Millions owe their lives to it, but it also means a population growing out of control. Nature has its ways of keeping numbers in check. Epidemics is one of them, cruel and harsh as it may seem.
If people can not have children in a natural way, then that is very sad for them indeed, but we should not create one in a labtube, just to keep them happy. It simply was not meant to be. If your heart stops working, because it is used up, then I see that as a sign that your time has come.... yes, I am blessed with kids. No, I do not want CPR or lifeprolonging machines, tubes, transplants, vaccins etc.
Modern medical science however is NOT about curing anymore, but about making money. Many treatments and vaccins have been scientifically proven to have an ill effect on us. Not true? Do some research on cancertreatments, heart- and vasculardiseases, cholesterol, obesites/fetma or pharmaceutical companies to name but a few.... And use more sources then wikipedia and more time then a lunchbreak...
I did for more then a decade and if you want answers, search for them yourselves, since your questions might not be the same as mine.

Yes, I was directly confronted with cancer, cholesterol and heart- and vasculardisease, both personally as well as with those very near and dear....

Yes, man has the knowledge... But no, he certainly does not have the wisdom to use that properly. Just the arrogance, believing he does and the ego that needs boosting...

 

[Humpback]

Motor vehicles have not been proved beyond doubt to be harmless ......... shall we ban them?


Alan

 

[Tengu]

Im dubious about this use of fire...I know it has proven advantages, but it is very dangerous and to be honest, a faff to get to work.

 

[wingstoo]

Im dubious about this use of fire...I know it has proven advantages, but it is very dangerous and to be honest, a faff to get to work.

Very true Tengu, and when used inappropriately it can be very dangerous, in fact it has been shown to be more dangerous in the amount of deaths directly caused by its use than nuclear power generation, strange isn't it.

 

[Huon]

Im dubious about this use of fire...I know it has proven advantages, but it is very dangerous and to be honest, a faff to get to work.

An excellent point. Don't forget all of this gallivanting about in boats and planes too. Both very unnatural acts and both killers of thousands.

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[Tengu]

Yes but nuclear generators cost a lot of money and involve vast amounts of paperwork, don't they?

and this reading and writing stuff, exposes you to dangerous new ideas and makes you want things you didn't need

 

[mountainm]

It simply was not meant to be.

So what is meant to be? We are masters of our own destiny.

 

[Swallow]

I think the GMO situation is getting worse. I just heard someone is trialling a genetically modied forum designed to stop the same arguments appearing every other week. It's not natural I tell you.

 

[wingstoo]

I think the GMO situation is getting worse. I just heard someone is trialling a genetically modied forum designed to stop the same arguments appearing every other week. It's not natural I tell you.

Har de har har

 

[Huon]

I think the GMO situation is getting worse. I just heard someone is trialling a genetically modied forum designed to stop the same arguments appearing every other week. It's not natural I tell you.

Worse yet the forum is written using a genetically modified form of LISP and runs on a genetically modified PICK OS installed on a hybrid chimp-machine computer.

 

[santaman2000]

......Yes, I know. The less well informed will be screaming murder now, but GM is NOT safe untill it can proven without a shadow of a doubt that the also the longterm effects will not be harmfull. And that they clearly can not.....

.....Animals and plants evolved into the being they are over thousands or millions of years for a reason. Us altering that is playing God.

Nuclear power is NOT safe untill we learn to master it.......

All true, up to a point.

1st: "Gm isn't safe until it's been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt?" So just how do we go about that without doing the research, trials, and indeed applications? (limted at first, the, broader aps, and finally full scale application

2nd: Nuclear? Same question and response as GM.

3rd: Animals evolvedas they did for a reason? So what? That evolution included extinctions; if we manage to extint ourselves, then that's just part of evolution isn't it? Remember, after all, our ability to do so (or to avoid doing that) is the direct result of the natural evolution of our brains. (like you said, that may be cold and cruel, but nonetheless, it's a fact)

 

[Shambling Shaman]

Nuclear power is NOT safe untill we learn to master it. All is well, untill something goes wrong. A couple of stark reminders; Tsjernobyl and Fukushima. Yes, incidents... but with such far reaching consequences that they clearly show we can not control it. Thinking otherwise, to me, is just plain stupid or incredibly arrogant. I am sure there are many more incidents or near misses, but those 2 should be meaning something to anyone. The wasteproblem is a matter on it's own...

I can not agree more, Fukushima is the elephant in the room. Any one who says nuclear is clean and safe is quite clearly deluded.

 

[RonW]

Motor vehicles have not been proved beyond doubt to be harmless ......... shall we ban them?
Alan

They have been proven unsafe to man, animal and object alike, especially in the hands of the average operator, who generally appears to believes to be a very good operator. Banning might be an overreaction, seriously limiting their numbers and use sounds like a good option tp begin with.

So what is meant to be? We are masters of our own destiny.

That seems to be what you believe. I believe differently..

All true, up to a point.

1st: "Gm isn't safe until it's been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt?" So just how do we go about that without doing the research, trials, and indeed applications? (limted at first, the, broader aps, and finally full scale application

2nd: Nuclear? Same question and response as GM.

3rd: Animals evolvedas they did for a reason? So what? That evolution included extinctions; if we manage to extint ourselves, then that's just part of evolution isn't it? Remember, after all, our ability to do so (or to avoid doing that) is the direct result of the natural evolution of our brains. (like you said, that may be cold and cruel, but nonetheless, it's a fact)

1) I am not a scientist, but I do feel that commercial interests are a poor excuse to implement a technology that we can not control once unleashed and of which we have no idea what the effects might be. In other words we should first master it, befor we start using it at random and keeping our fingers crossed it'll turn out ok.
2) Like I said; the nuclear aspect has quite recently proven our incapability to use it in a safe and responsible way. And we still have no ideas what to do with the waste of that proces other than tucking it away in some place, again not knowing what the effect will be. Some of it is even used in live ordnance, which was used on a vaste scale in Iraq...... where all of a sudden an alarming amount of seriously deformed children are born. Right now there also seems to be massive amounts of a sort of oceanlife dying in the Pacific ocean. The same place where 1000's of tons of radioactive water are still leaking from a certain destroyed reactor in Japan. But I guess those are mere coincidences? We of course have already forgotten all the deaths, illnesses and deformations in the former USSR for example, due to exposure to radioactivity from accidents, waste and tests... So yes, the nuclear option in the hands of mankind most certainly is safe!
3) We indeed have evolved to the current level and I do believe we are busy whiping ourselves out or at least making our habitant uninhabitable. Even other creations of nature go extinct, if and when the "design" proves to be faulty. Now however many species are not being whiped out because their design is faulty, but because we destroy them.

 

[mountainm]

That seems to be what you believe. I believe differently..

Then whatever will be, will be. As such there's no point worrying about it.

 

[santaman2000]

They have been proven unsafe to man, animal and object alike, especially in the hands of the average operator, who generally appears to believes to be a very good operator. Banning might be an overreaction, seriously limiting their numbers and use sounds like a good option tp begin with.......

Good luck with that.

 

[santaman2000]

......We indeed have evolved to the current level and I do believe we are busy whiping ourselves out or at least making our habitant uninhabitable. Even other creations of nature go extinct, if and when the "design" proves to be faulty. Now however many species are not being whiped out because their design is faulty, but because we destroy them.

Nothing to do with the design being "faulty." Just obsolete. If the species can't survive under the evolving conditions (even if it was perfectly suitable to previous conditions) then it doesn't continue to exist. Even before humans, certain species could change the existing environment (beavers come to mind) and other species had to evolve around them or perish. We're the biggest game changers on the planet for now. If other species can't evolve around us then they'll perish. It's nothing new.

 

[RonW]

Nothing to do with the design being "faulty." Just obsolete. If the species can't survive under the evolving conditions (even if it was perfectly suitable to previous conditions) then it doesn't continue to exist. Even before humans, certain species could change the existing environment (beavers come to mind) and other species had to evolve around them or perish. We're the biggest game changers on the planet for now. If other species can't evolve around us then they'll perish. It's nothing new.

That is what I generally meant with faulty. Unable to adapt and overcome or overspecialised.

 

[petrochemicals]

Nothing to do with the design being "faulty." Just obsolete. If the species can't survive under the evolving conditions (even if it was perfectly suitable to previous conditions) then it doesn't continue to exist. Even before humans, certain species could change the existing environment (beavers come to mind) and other species had to evolve around them or perish. We're the biggest game changers on the planet for now. If other species can't evolve around us then they'll perish. It's nothing new.

saw Beavers on ray mears this norning , with there evil little hands and outsize teeth , I think eradicate the competition. Kill or be killed. To evolve things must mutate, like viruses otherwise the immunity of organisms would mean they die out. Many millions of viruses exist, billions of strains and mutations of each virus, and many die out. I hope the GM crops don't mutate and have less sucess. MUTANT ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE.

 

[Humpback]

Listened to the Infinite Monkey Cage on podcast - recommend it. A Scientist made observations on Japan's damaged nuclear plant's radioactive levels compared to that received from CAT Scanners aswell as other interesting scare mongering in the press. Well worth a listen, just be careful of fried breakfasts


Alan