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Totumpole

Native
Jan 16, 2011
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Cairns, Australia
I always like playing devils advocate and will relish in doing so, but Im not saying that homeopathic treatment as the sole way to go. However everything comes from nature somehow. I can see why the major pharmaceutical companies would not like it if we could eat something that grows in fields or hedgerows to cure breast cancer rather than pay thousands for hormone based therapies. In the same vain neither do governments, because they ultimately get tax from these companies.
Who is going to invest the same funding to prove effecitveness of homeopathic remedies that you can then not charge a nominal fee for because they have been used for thousands of years and are hence not patentable. This is not profitable for anyone, so why put up the funds to do it. One example I can give, that is not at all related to herbal rmedies, is the new PARAFEN or whatever its called - "we've been working for 5 years to invent a new pain killer" - absolute bull. You've been doing what I have for over a decade - taking paracetamol along with ibuprofen and putting it in 1 tablet so that you can charge masses for (except i take 3 or 4 that cost 12p per dose rather that 1 or 2 at a quid) - an absolute rip off.
 

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Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Apr 15, 2005
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I always like playing devils advocate and will relish in doing so, but Im not saying that homeopathic treatment as the sole way to go. However everything comes from nature somehow. I can see why the major pharmaceutical companies would not like it if we could eat something that grows in fields or hedgerows to cure breast cancer rather than pay thousands for hormone based therapies. In the same vain neither do governments, because they ultimately get tax from these companies.
Who is going to invest the same funding to prove effecitveness of homeopathic remedies that you can then not charge a nominal fee for because they have been used for thousands of years and are hence not patentable. This is not profitable for anyone, so why put up the funds to do it. One example I can give, that is not at all related to herbal rmedies, is the new PARAFEN or whatever its called - "we've been working for 5 years to invent a new pain killer" - absolute bull. You've been doing what I have for over a decade - taking paracetamol along with ibuprofen and putting it in 1 tablet so that you can charge masses for (except i take 3 or 4 that cost 12p per dose rather that 1 or 2 at a quid) - an absolute rip off.
I think the main problem with homoeopathic remedies is that they are so diluted to such an amount that its highly unlikely that any of the supposedly active ingredient remains in it.
I suppose you heard about the "Mass Poisonings" where people took some of the tablets supposedly containing arsenic (I think it was arsenic anyway) to prove that it didn't actually contain any arsenic anyway as it was so diluted. All a stunt to show homoeopathic remidies up as the cons they are.
In my eyes its inexcusable to sell these things claiming that they cure people of anything.
Shame town centres don't have the stocks anymore.
Oscillococcinum (commonly shortened to Oscillo[1]) is a homeopathic alternative medicine marketed to relieve influenza-like symptoms. It is one of the most popular homeopathic preparations, particularly in France. Oscillococcinum is manufactured by a French company, Boiron, its sole manufacturer. There are, however, other manufacturers who make similar preparations. Oscillococcinum is used in more than 50 countries. In France, it has been in production for over 65 years.

The preparation is derived from duck liver and heart, diluted to 200C—a ratio of one part duck offal to 100200 parts water. This is such a high dilution that the final product likely contains not a single molecule of the original liver. Homeopaths claim that the molecules leave an "imprint" in the dilution that causes a healing effect on the body, although there is no evidence that supports this mechanism or efficacy beyond placebo.
Yet more brown envelope legislation that 'throws out the baby with the bath water'.
The baby isn't in the bathwater mate, its so diluted that there isn't a single molecule of baby in the bath water.
 

rik_uk3

Banned
Jun 10, 2006
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"The Yellow Emperor Emperor’s Classic of Medicine" and the potions therein have not been clinically trialed and are therefore worthless to a sick persons who should have an idea if the medication given will help.

Most modern medicine comes from the natural world, but is studied, evaluated, formulated and trialled before sold to Joe Public whereas any old quack can knock up a jar of pee and stick a label on it, wast of time and dangerous to those with faith in the junks ability to help.

Modern medication stopped my death last year, morphine gave me relief when I had unbelievable levels of pain, there is NO herbal substitute for that level of healing or anywhere near it.
 

BorderReiver

Full Member
Mar 31, 2004
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Norfolk U.K.
The rules have been applied to protect the public from adulteration and poisoning from the "wrong" herb in the box.

They do not have to prove efficacy, just have in the box what should be in the box.

Folks who want to use herbs are stiil free to use them, with the added bonus that any they buy will not kill them.
 

Corso

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Aug 13, 2007
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Modern medication stopped my death last year, morphine gave me relief when I had unbelievable levels of pain, there is NO herbal substitute for that level of healing or anywhere near it.
where do you think morphine comes from?

I work in 'modern medicine' and believe me drug companies have far too much control.
 

resnikov

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
I can see why the major pharmaceutical companies would not like it if we could eat something that grows in fields or hedgerows to cure breast cancer rather than pay thousands for hormone based therapies. In the same vain neither do governments, because they ultimately get tax from these companies. .
Think they would prefer it if we did. There is no real profit in anti cancer, anti aids drugs etc. It takes a lot of research, clinical trails and a lot of money for a drug that may only be suitable for 1 in a hundred patients due to side effects etc.
The pharmaceutical companies make most of there money from over the counter drugs we can buy ourselves with out a prescription. How many boxes of lemsip, paracetamol etc do we all buy each year and not use them all but throw away a half used blister pack? What they don't want is is you taking herbs instead of the over the counter drugs.

The other profit is in drugs like Viagra alot of people will pay alot for drugs like that.
 

rik_uk3

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Jun 10, 2006
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where do you think morphine comes from?

I work in 'modern medicine' and believe me drug companies have far too much control.
Plants after it has been refined and after undergoing clinical trials where dosage and interaction with other drugs was studied and formulated, where did you think it came from. ?

I would rather trust the global money making companies than some idiot messing in the garden shed with no idea the consequences of his or her action could inflict on some mug who buys it.
 
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