Ugly but mine own...

jandude

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Jan 11, 2013
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Thought I'd show you what I made this week.

I want to try my hand at a bit of carving. Quite fancy making a noggin so thought I'd practice doing a spoon first, as it's a bit smaller. But I don't have any specialist tools ; just bush knife, saw and axe.

Well, after a really, really poor result whereupon I learned that it's easier to make a colander or tea strainer than a spoon because it's very hard to carve the spoon's bowl with a straight knife, I decided I should consider a crook knife.

But I don't want to splash out on one of those without knowing how useful it would be. So I decided to make one for two reasons: To minimise spend and, as I've never done any smithing, to have a bash at that as well.

Last weekend I bought myself a £3 chef knife from The Range. I chose the thickest, stiffest blade and went for a full tang plastic-scales handle design rather than what I think are the hollow welded-on metal handles:
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Then I annealed the blade using a blow torch, cut a sliver about four inches long to shape, ground a bevel on my bench grinder, drilled two mounting holes for a handle, sharpened and shaped it into a curve. I went for quite a curved shape. Then hardened and then tempered the blade, again with the torch. After cooling and honing the blade I cut a piece of hardwood dowel (I think it was a curtain pole once) to serve as a rough and ready handle. Here's what I ended up with:
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Here's another pic. Remember, this is a test piece to see how useful I would find a crook knife would be. So 'pleasing to the eye' wasn't a priority.
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I got a reasonable curve but there is the odd flat and kink or angle in it. I got the hardening and tempering right-ish - the blade is stiff and holds its edge. The handle will do for now - not great but no blisters after an hour's use. As this thread's title says: it ain't pretty but it's functional.

And this is what I made, just using my axe and the crook knife. Again, not pretty but I'm really pleased with it as a first effort and it has proved to me how incredibly useful a crook knife is. Hollowing the out bowl was a piece of cake. The wood is green hazel I cut last weekend. It was very wet when I split it this afternoon and was quite soft to carve. Having read a lot of info on this forum - thanks everyone; all very sound advice and examples - the spoon is now drying in a paper bag. I hope it will dry hard and not split:
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And...
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All the tool marks are there although I gave it a very light sanding. I'm sure all you seasoned (pun intended!) woodworkers will read the marks, cuts and divots like a book, and I'm under no illusions about my level of skill. But for a first time and as a test of the crook knife, I'm really quite pleased with it.
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And...
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I really enjoyed making the knife and the spoon. So I now know how useful a crook knife is, which was the object of the exercise. I also learned a lot about carving. I'm wondering whether to make a flatter-curved shorter blade next, as I can get at least three blades from the cook's knife, or whether to be a devil and buy a pukka knife that, because it will be better made should be easier to use than my prototype. What do you think?

Oh, and I followed the instructions on Cariboo Blades site for heat treating the blade.

Hope you found this interesting. Thanks for reading,
Jandude
 

Monikieman

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It sometime takes a lot to get thoughts into actions and a bit of courage to post your pics.

Well done, the spoon knife looks great.:) A lot of effort there.
 

jandude

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Jan 11, 2013
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Thanks all. Glad you approve.

Mountainm: I just checked the donor knife's packaging and yes, it is stainless steel. Does this mean I got really, really luck with my heat treating?

HillBill: I'm very impressed that you approve, given your cutler's skills. I'll use the bushy knife that came from you on the next spoon rather than solely the axe! (Short story: me in shed with axe etc, knife upstairs and too impatient to fetch it!)
 

lannyman8

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Jan 18, 2009
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Mountainm: I just checked the donor knife's packaging and yes, it is stainless steel. Does this mean I got really, really luck with my heat treating?


thats right mate, carbon steel heat treats around 850 c stainless is about 1080 c, the problem is if you heat them too much before quenching as it effects the quality of the finished product... but what Mike said above...:)

very good effort, function over looks any time....;)

so when is the next knife...:):):):)

and spoon????
 

jandude

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Jan 11, 2013
55
1
Cambs
Thanks both. I think I must have heated to the stainless temp: I was struggling to keep the blade red with my canister blow torch and no insulating container so got the blade quite bright (I'm colour blind so it may have been orange but don't think it got to yellow - a bit of a disadvantage when working with steel, I think you'll agree) in the hope that the coolest section would still be hot enough when I quenched (in sunflower oil).

The next blade will be along in a week or two. It will be flatter with a curved tip so I can see how I get on with that shape. I might have a go at a more ergonomic handle, too, and maybe glue the blade tang into it rather than screw fix it again. So the next spoon will be along hard on the blade's heels!

I may make a small whittling blade as well - but will do more with my Mark Hill SB2 first as I haven't whittled with that in anger yet (very nice knife, btw).
 

HillBill

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Oct 1, 2008
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HillBill: I'm very impressed that you approve, given your cutler's skills. I'll use the bushy knife that came from you on the next spoon rather than solely the axe! (Short story: me in shed with axe etc, knife upstairs and too impatient to fetch it!)

I like to see people having a go at things. :)

thats right mate, carbon steel heat treats around 850 c stainless is about 1080 c, the problem is if you heat them too much before quenching as it effects the quality of the finished product... but what Mike said above...:)

very good effort, function over looks any time....;)

so when is the next knife...:):):):)

and spoon????

The thing with stainless is that its not just a case of reaching the temperature and quenching as it is with carbon, stainless needs very precise temperature control as it needs to be held at hardening temp for a while, 15 mins to half hour in some cases. Just reaching temp won't harden it properly.
 

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