Tree ID please...

[JonnyP]

Out for a wander tuther day and saw this tree with loads of berrys on. Thought it was a spindle from a distance, but got closer and saw it wasn't. Anyone recognise it..?

 

[British Red]

Hi Jon,

Tricky one

The berries immediately say to me that they are bryony rather than part of the tree - were they definitely tree berries? I'm sure they must be with your knowledge!

So then the berries made me think Guelder rose but they aren't bunched enough

The leaf is very whitebeam like to be honest but the berries are all wrong for a whitebeam

I'm sorry mate - I'm going to have to say that I'm stumped if it isn't black bryony growing in something else (or rather black bryony berries on a dead stem in another tree)

Red

 

[John Fenna]

Looks like rampant Honeysuckle to me....but what do I know?

 

[Bernie Garland]

Looks like rampant Honeysuckle to me....but what do I know?

i agree with john honeysuckle

 

[JonnyP]

Thanks for the imput guys, but this was definitely a tree rather than a creeper like black bryony or honeysuckle...Tis funny, but I saw another one today at heligan...

 

[Toddy]

My first thought was guelder rose, but you'd know that one.
Not much help, sorry.

There was a thread on Christmas wreaths recently, and someone (I think Xylaria) mentioned adding extra red berries from something local. What were they?

cheers.
Toddy

 

[JonnyP]

My first thought was guelder rose, but you'd know that one.
Not much help, sorry.

There was a thread on Christmas wreaths recently, and someone (I think Xylaria) mentioned adding extra red berries from something local. What were they?

cheers.
Toddy

I am not that familiar with guelder rose, esp this time of year, but the leaves don't seem the same as this one....??
Must get into studying trees more this comming year...

 

[Toddy]

Technically the leaves are three lobed with sort of pinking shear cut edges, but the few that are left on the trees around here just now are not really lobed and just look very yellowed with brown mottling and almost like lime leaf shaped. There are still loads of berries though despite the hard frosts.
http://www.plantpress.com/wildlife/o520-guelderrose.php

cheers,
Toddy

 

[Aaron]

I would go with Toddy on this one John - was the flesh inside the berries clear and 'icky', a bit like snot?

 

[JonnyP]

I would go with Toddy on this one John - was the flesh inside the berries clear and 'icky', a bit like snot?

Didn't look Aaron... I should of looked on the ground below it to see what the dead leaves were like, but didn't think to....:11doh:

 

[British Red]

Well Jon - you got me interested here! So I have been combing all my personal record photos of trees since the books I have can't give me a positive ID.

Now I said no to Guelder Rose in my first post becuase of leaf shape. This is a Guelder Rose Leaf

The berries looked right but not in clumps as I'm used to - this is what I would expect to see

However, buried (or berried) amongst my shots was this one

Check out the bottom left leaf shape and spread out berries....

Now this is a Guelder no doubt - the more common leaf shape can also be seen in the picture. But it has a saw toothed unlobed leaf and spread berries

I can't give you a definitive ID, but there is a way to tell when its in leaf - there are hairs or stipules under the leaf shown clearly here

I hope that helps a little

Red

 

[JonnyP]

Thanks for looking Red...You can see the stalks on the leaves on my shot do have a red stem, as they do on your shot, though that may be due to them dying off..? I can remember where the tree is and will check it again next time we go to Mount Edgcumbe...

 

[xylaria]

Guelder rose is very easy to ID when you are standing in front of the bush, just crush and sniff the fruit. The juice smells awful at this time of year. There less scent when they first appear in august.

Honeysuckles have clustered fruit that tastes saccarine/sharp. The branches are brittle this time of year and I can't remember it having fruit in winter.

It looks like guelder rose to me.

 

[Shewie]

What about a rampant Bittersweet or Woody Nightshade ???



Rich

 

[Toddy]

I wondered about them, but even though they can grow 4m long the stems aren't all that thick and the drupes are gone to mush with the frosts we've had ( I grow it in my garden) , whereas the guelders are still in fruit. The bittersweet drupes kindof , well, they droop, rather than staying round, too.
I know it's a kind of biased opinion, I didn't check books or what's likely to grow in Jon's area.

Up to you on this one Jon Honeysuckle, guelder rose, bittersweet.....

cheers,
Toddy

 

[JonnyP]

I wondered about them, but even though they can grow 4m long the stems aren't all that thick and the drupes are gone to mush with the frosts we've had ( I grow it in my garden) , whereas the guelders are still in fruit. The bittersweet drupes kindof , well, they droop, rather than staying round, too.
I know it's a kind of biased opinion, I didn't check books or what's likely to grow in Jon's area.

Up to you on this one Jon Honeysuckle, guelder rose, bittersweet.....

cheers,
Toddy

Can I phone a friend.... It is not honeysuckle and it is certainly not bittersweet, I know them both.. I will go back and smell the fruit and see if its gluey and look at the dropped leaves..
Many thanks to you all for your contributions....I shall report back on this....

Btw,,,Shewie, bittersweet and woody nightshade are the same plant..Or did you mean to put both names and I am trying to teach you to suck eggs...?

 

[Davy Stephenson]

Woodbine, Wayfaring tree.

Davy.

 

[Shewie]

Btw,,,Shewie, bittersweet and woody nightshade are the same plant..Or did you mean to put both names and I am trying to teach you to suck eggs...?

Eggs well and truly sucked thanks Jonny



Rich