The Pigging Canoes & Stupid Idea
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I flipped it back over and found some more stripping..
The angle on this strips is 12 degrees, so 4 is roughly 45 degrees - the same as the sides.
I also went and bought more glue. Poxy stuff.
Smearing glue along the length
Screwing the lengths together while the glue cures. The screws are all stainless steel so the seawater wont destroy them in too much of a hurry.
I hate wearing gloves.
Ive managed to catch this one on the screw as I was starting it with the screwdriver
Perhaps I should use marigolds. Im just not going to bother for a while as I havent got much time.
The angle on this strips is 12 degrees, so 4 is roughly 45 degrees - the same as the sides.
I also went and bought more glue. Poxy stuff.
Smearing glue along the length
Screwing the lengths together while the glue cures. The screws are all stainless steel so the seawater wont destroy them in too much of a hurry.
I hate wearing gloves.
Ive managed to catch this one on the screw as I was starting it with the screwdriver
Perhaps I should use marigolds. Im just not going to bother for a while as I havent got much time.
Gluing it ready to stick the next one on...
Going to leave it to set for a while.
Im using this lump of decking to check the boat is still true.
Lining the almost dry strip up...
Using clamps to make sure it doesnt slip.
Screwing it on..
Its almost straight
Near enough.
See the glue expanding out...
Its back over and my time ran out again.
It was time to go get the wife and kids from the park.
Going to leave it to set for a while.
Im using this lump of decking to check the boat is still true.
Lining the almost dry strip up...
Using clamps to make sure it doesnt slip.
Screwing it on..
Its almost straight
Near enough.
See the glue expanding out...
Its back over and my time ran out again.
It was time to go get the wife and kids from the park.
Hi Tengu
lol You are probably right.
I had intended to cover why I made the decisions I did later, but now is fine.
You go to sailing lessons. They tell you how to sail, you copy their advice. You sail like you do afterwards on the boat you buy, simply because thats how you were taught.
When little one wanted a boat, I didnt have the funds to go buy the lessons and buy a boat.
So... I bought him a pile of wood and "Guided him" Without him really noticing through designing and building his boat. He now knows that boat better than he would have anything I could have made or bought him. Hes actually managed some feats with it that fully experienced dinghy instructors didnt manage.
Having followed this process myself through bicycle, car, and then motorbike builds, I can tell you that you end up "knowing" what it is doing, in a way that you cannot be taught.
He had lessons throughout the time he was building it - 2 hours each weekend. The reports from them explained that all the kids accept what the instructors tell them at face value - except him.
He actually developed a need to "know" how it works. While this is a pain to the turors in a mixed group, it made him stand head and shoulders in ability above the rest - most of the time.
When it comes to me, canoes and Stupid Idea...
I honestly cant paddle those little kayaks, as John calls them. Im a lot too big. I could try tying two together...
I dont want to, as i still couldnt get in either of them.
Cutting one in half lengthways and trying to widen it did occur to me.
I decided building something flat bottomed and wide enough that I wouldnt roll it was really where I wanted to go.
about 1 and a 1/2ft tall, 4 ft wide, about 12 ft long, - unless I decide to build two nose sections, which is still possible.
My biggest had a pile of 9mm ply that was starting to delaminate where he had left it out in the rain...
Im using that and will simply replace it as and when he actually wants to use it.
At this point in the build, Ive almost got a bare hull.
It should be capable of taking a motor, a windsurf sail, a dinghy rig and daggerboard or even a paddle.
I need to stop it sinking, but other than that, It should survive that 10 mile trek from Wareham to Bramble Bay with some Pigging Canoes, and even act as a safety raft if any of them get into difficulty.
Oh, and I "know" this boat, which will give me something when I use it, as well as a sense of pride - even if it is extremely ugly.
Does that make this all make more sense?
Except the Pigging Canoes, and thats a way further down this story....
lol You are probably right.
I had intended to cover why I made the decisions I did later, but now is fine.
You go to sailing lessons. They tell you how to sail, you copy their advice. You sail like you do afterwards on the boat you buy, simply because thats how you were taught.
When little one wanted a boat, I didnt have the funds to go buy the lessons and buy a boat.
So... I bought him a pile of wood and "Guided him" Without him really noticing through designing and building his boat. He now knows that boat better than he would have anything I could have made or bought him. Hes actually managed some feats with it that fully experienced dinghy instructors didnt manage.
Having followed this process myself through bicycle, car, and then motorbike builds, I can tell you that you end up "knowing" what it is doing, in a way that you cannot be taught.
He had lessons throughout the time he was building it - 2 hours each weekend. The reports from them explained that all the kids accept what the instructors tell them at face value - except him.
He actually developed a need to "know" how it works. While this is a pain to the turors in a mixed group, it made him stand head and shoulders in ability above the rest - most of the time.
When it comes to me, canoes and Stupid Idea...
I honestly cant paddle those little kayaks, as John calls them. Im a lot too big. I could try tying two together...
I dont want to, as i still couldnt get in either of them.
Cutting one in half lengthways and trying to widen it did occur to me.
I decided building something flat bottomed and wide enough that I wouldnt roll it was really where I wanted to go.
about 1 and a 1/2ft tall, 4 ft wide, about 12 ft long, - unless I decide to build two nose sections, which is still possible.
My biggest had a pile of 9mm ply that was starting to delaminate where he had left it out in the rain...
Im using that and will simply replace it as and when he actually wants to use it.
At this point in the build, Ive almost got a bare hull.
It should be capable of taking a motor, a windsurf sail, a dinghy rig and daggerboard or even a paddle.
I need to stop it sinking, but other than that, It should survive that 10 mile trek from Wareham to Bramble Bay with some Pigging Canoes, and even act as a safety raft if any of them get into difficulty.
Oh, and I "know" this boat, which will give me something when I use it, as well as a sense of pride - even if it is extremely ugly.
Does that make this all make more sense?
Except the Pigging Canoes, and thats a way further down this story....
Hi Tengu
Lazy? lol I cant do much about that, but....
Come January/ February ish, I will be involved in building 4 canoes...
They will be 13 ft ish, and 30 ins wide. Im expecting them to cost around £80 for materials.
I note you are in Wiltshire.
You are welcome to visit, I will show you what to buy and help you cut your own boat out and stitch it together.
If you arrive early enough, you should be able to take it home with you finished, apart from paint, before it gets dark, on the same day.
Lazy? lol I cant do much about that, but....
Come January/ February ish, I will be involved in building 4 canoes...
They will be 13 ft ish, and 30 ins wide. Im expecting them to cost around £80 for materials.
I note you are in Wiltshire.
You are welcome to visit, I will show you what to buy and help you cut your own boat out and stitch it together.
If you arrive early enough, you should be able to take it home with you finished, apart from paint, before it gets dark, on the same day.
I have another hour to go play with my boat...
I started by trimming the edges of the tape so the halves would fit together again nicely.
I cut the edges of the front to go round the gunwales of the back section.
I messed up. It looks awful and its upset me.
This side went in nicely though.
Worried about that.
Still...
The wife, the boyfriend and the step kids arrived.
Need to shorten the bulkhead.
Stepkid said "Hmmm...."
How about we cut it off there?
Ill do this side...
Then you finish it..
I like that.
Looking at a possibility of an electric motor on a long shaft with a propellor as a possible drive...Rambo 4 style..
I started by trimming the edges of the tape so the halves would fit together again nicely.
I cut the edges of the front to go round the gunwales of the back section.
I messed up. It looks awful and its upset me.
This side went in nicely though.
Worried about that.
Still...
The wife, the boyfriend and the step kids arrived.
Need to shorten the bulkhead.
Stepkid said "Hmmm...."
How about we cut it off there?
Ill do this side...
Then you finish it..
I like that.
Looking at a possibility of an electric motor on a long shaft with a propellor as a possible drive...Rambo 4 style..
I want something strong about here so if I want to, I can stand a mast on it.
Trimming it to length
Chamfering it (making it pointy so it will match the sides at the bow)...
A slot for it to sit in...
Cutting the slot - roughly lol
Thats roughly where I want it to go.
Im just going to screw it in for the time being.
...and the other side..
Where this timber has been left out in the rain too long, its starting to delaminate, the layers of wood in the ply are coming off the glue thats supposed to keep them together.
Need to get this coated to stop it happening..
Trimming it to length
Chamfering it (making it pointy so it will match the sides at the bow)...
A slot for it to sit in...
Cutting the slot - roughly lol
Thats roughly where I want it to go.
Im just going to screw it in for the time being.
...and the other side..
Where this timber has been left out in the rain too long, its starting to delaminate, the layers of wood in the ply are coming off the glue thats supposed to keep them together.
Need to get this coated to stop it happening..
The front sides change angles, so I dont need so many layers of wood for my gunwales.
Safety glasses, pencil and gloves....
As I said...
"Do as I say, not as I do"
This one listens!
Hes bending the strips round the bow, and Im screwing them on...
Now the other side..
Getting there...
These strips stiffen up the top of the sides and stop them flexing or even cracking if, or when I hit something with them.
The boyfriend is filling the gaps where the stripping is missing with glue.
Not altogether sure thats a Good Idea.
The wife is running off with my tools!
Seems Ive used my hour, so now its family time.
Safety glasses, pencil and gloves....
As I said...
"Do as I say, not as I do"
This one listens!
Hes bending the strips round the bow, and Im screwing them on...
Now the other side..
Getting there...
These strips stiffen up the top of the sides and stop them flexing or even cracking if, or when I hit something with them.
The boyfriend is filling the gaps where the stripping is missing with glue.
Not altogether sure thats a Good Idea.
The wife is running off with my tools!
Seems Ive used my hour, so now its family time.
Packing up while the boyfriedn carries on with the glue...
The kids wanted to go windsurf board paddling...
Step kids first go....
I know its childish, but...
..they are going without me!
WAAAH !
Still...
With my new boat thing...
lol hes flat!
Hes only been paddling furiously for a couple of hours or so...
Hes kneeling. It must be a canoe lol
He says he struggles sitting with his leg straight out like they do.
Er....
The tide is carrying him into the pier...
THere was a clunk followed by a splash, followed by...
"I need a plaster!"
It rained.
It rained..
It Rained...
Then...
It rained some more.
Fibreglass wont cure if its too humid.
Im building this boat in the garden.
Id considered building it in the kitchen...
Decided I probably wouldnt survive the fumes.
Ive lost several weeks and Stupid boat is still soaking.
Irritating when Im running out of summer - and time to use it when its done.
Its rained sooo much the boat is starting to rot where Ive been unable to waterproof the ply.
This is starting to really get me down.
Still...
Its not raining and I have 3 hours....
It rained..
It Rained...
Then...
It rained some more.
Fibreglass wont cure if its too humid.
Im building this boat in the garden.
Id considered building it in the kitchen...
Decided I probably wouldnt survive the fumes.
Ive lost several weeks and Stupid boat is still soaking.
Irritating when Im running out of summer - and time to use it when its done.
Its rained sooo much the boat is starting to rot where Ive been unable to waterproof the ply.
This is starting to really get me down.
Still...
Its not raining and I have 3 hours....
Ive been stretching the sides in th efront a bit to get a better angle on the joint...
Decided I cant actually do anything to the woodwork as its sooo wet, but I can work on my buoyancy.
I am expecting to crash this thing into buoys, rocks, gravel and stone beaches, canoes, other boats.....
It will get turned over. Its sort of inevitable.
As Im expecting it to be a safety raft for the kids if they manage to tip their canoes over, It must be as buoyant upside down, as up the right way.
...Even if I poke a huge hole in it.
Spent some time trying to work this one out...
Decided I cant actually do anything to the woodwork as its sooo wet, but I can work on my buoyancy.
I am expecting to crash this thing into buoys, rocks, gravel and stone beaches, canoes, other boats.....
It will get turned over. Its sort of inevitable.
As Im expecting it to be a safety raft for the kids if they manage to tip their canoes over, It must be as buoyant upside down, as up the right way.
...Even if I poke a huge hole in it.
Spent some time trying to work this one out...
Apparently, this polystyrene eventually takes on water between the bubbles.
Hopefully, if I paint it....
That will take a fair while.
It needs to be about that long...
Im marking the point the bottom meets the polystyrene...
Now, by moving the sheet over, Im marking the angle I want to cut it at...
Done it.
Im using this thing to copy the angle of the side...
Over to this side.
Ive done that to both ends, now Im joining the lines together so I have a line to cut to..
Ive turned it over, now I need a line for the other side to cut to.
This one is parallel to the edge of the sheet.
By holding my pencil steady and sliding my hand along the sheet without changing the angle of my wrist, I can draw this sort of line without using a ruler.
I know it sounds silly, but learning how to do this can save you a lot of time when building things.
Just try to remember not to do it when using rough cut timber or sharp metal. Ow!
I cant see both sides of this huge cut.
This has kept me busy for a bit trying to work out how to cut it straight.
I came up with using a bushcraft wire saw....
Ever wondered how I came upon your site? lol
With me cutting from one side and my biggest on the other handle, we can follow both lines at the same time.
Done it!
Now the other side...
Its a good tight fit...
Its nearly in..
I need to trim it to fit round the stripping that joins the ply sheets together..
Yep! That should do it...
Littlest decided he should be my hammer...
The strips we cut off the sides should make er... sides
"Its still going to sink with you driving it"
Grr...Cheeky sod.
Trimming the end to fit round the stripping...
Its in.
"Thats another fine mess you hit me into Stanley"
How come hes heard of them?
Looking to see if its paddlable...
Not sure if that actually a word, although, me using non words isnt exactly rare lol
"Ok dad... I think you have actually built a sun lounger"
Wheres something I can throw...
Hopefully, if I paint it....
That will take a fair while.
It needs to be about that long...
Im marking the point the bottom meets the polystyrene...
Now, by moving the sheet over, Im marking the angle I want to cut it at...
Done it.
Im using this thing to copy the angle of the side...
Over to this side.
Ive done that to both ends, now Im joining the lines together so I have a line to cut to..
Ive turned it over, now I need a line for the other side to cut to.
This one is parallel to the edge of the sheet.
By holding my pencil steady and sliding my hand along the sheet without changing the angle of my wrist, I can draw this sort of line without using a ruler.
I know it sounds silly, but learning how to do this can save you a lot of time when building things.
Just try to remember not to do it when using rough cut timber or sharp metal. Ow!
I cant see both sides of this huge cut.
This has kept me busy for a bit trying to work out how to cut it straight.
I came up with using a bushcraft wire saw....
Ever wondered how I came upon your site? lol
With me cutting from one side and my biggest on the other handle, we can follow both lines at the same time.
Done it!
Now the other side...
Its a good tight fit...
Its nearly in..
I need to trim it to fit round the stripping that joins the ply sheets together..
Yep! That should do it...
Littlest decided he should be my hammer...
The strips we cut off the sides should make er... sides
"Its still going to sink with you driving it"
Grr...Cheeky sod.
Trimming the end to fit round the stripping...
Its in.
"Thats another fine mess you hit me into Stanley"
How come hes heard of them?
Looking to see if its paddlable...
Not sure if that actually a word, although, me using non words isnt exactly rare lol
"Ok dad... I think you have actually built a sun lounger"
Wheres something I can throw...
Gave little one some shed paint...
Hopefully, several coats will be enough to stop the water wicking between the bubbles its made of.
Biggest ended up painting the inner surfaces with resin.
I didnt have time, and the boat had actually dried out for a couple of hours...
They will do anything for a Mcdonalds.
Hopefully, several coats will be enough to stop the water wicking between the bubbles its made of.
Biggest ended up painting the inner surfaces with resin.
I didnt have time, and the boat had actually dried out for a couple of hours...
They will do anything for a Mcdonalds.
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