Nissan X-Trail - any experience?

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JC1984

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Morning all,

I have a '07 Seat Leon FR TDi at the moment, which is great for having a bit of fun in and excellent on long motorway trips with its fuel economy etc. But it's just annoying when I want to transport any of the toys (road bike, mountain bike, inflatable kayak, camping gear - maybe even a dog if I can stay in the same country long enough).

So have been looking at alternatives and the one that has really caught my eye is the Nissan X-Trail. Does anyone have one or any experience? Here is a prime example (click here) although I would possibly look at spending a bit more - but ultimately it's difficult to justify it when they all seem to look the same over the years.

Any advice or tips would be gratefully received - many thanks!
 

Dannytsg

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My father in law has one and I must say it is a sturdy piece of kit for what money it's worth. It has plenty of room and the diesel engine is pretty bulletproof. The only real way for you to see if you like it though is to get a test drive and try it out really.
 

JC1984

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Thanks Danny!

Yeah going to try one in the next week or two if I get the chance. There's a myriad of changes and so many different models to try and understand over the years, will do plenty reading in the meantime. Could come in handy as even though I am on the coast in Northumberland...we are the last place to see a gritter in the winter!
 

Johnnyboy1971

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Im a member of the xtrail owners club/ forum. http://www.x-trail-uk.co.uk/ The petrol engines are pretty good but beware the deisels. Weak turbo and intercooler leaks, also some stories and first hand experience of the rear diff just seizing and then blowing apart.

Overall ride is pretty good and fuel is decent for a two ton motor. Quite comfy but suffer amlittle body roll which is to be expected from this type of vehicle.

It is the T30 2.2 Dci that has the main issues where as the newer T31 had some of the problems fixed.

Lastly dont ever take it to a Nissan dealership for repair as they couldnt give a toss about there customers, but use an indipendant 4x4 specialist.
 
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Bowlander

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SWMBO has got one, its an old 2.2Di - 52 reg. Compared to my freelander it seems a bit underpowered on steep hills but it does 40mpg rather than 30mpg. The 6 speed box is great for motorway cruising.

Its not as good as the freelander off road but negotiates hill tracks and fields with ease. If I had to chose i'd go with the xtrail. Far more car for your money.

Going to put a towbar on it soon for a bike rack.
 

JC1984

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Jan 11, 2012
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Yeah I think I'll do some deeper digging on them and see. Feel a bit old before my time trading in a hot hatch for a family 4x4 - just fancy something a bit more practical and a bit of a change
 

cbr6fs

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Mar 30, 2011
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Make sure you take in some nice B roads on your test drive.

Everyone's expectations will be different, if you've come from a LR Defender a X-trail will feel like a cross between a rolls royce and a Ferrari.

For me a person that likes a bit of feel and enjoyment out of a car i thought it was a terrible terrible car.
Buzzy gutless motor, heavy handling with no feel at all, vague steering and a cheap plastic interior.

The other thing is, unless you plan on exploring off-road 4wd is just an expensive fuel gulping accessory that costs a fortune to fix when it goes wrong and is never used.

I'd also look at the space offered compared to your current car, as with a FWD they have a lower boot and more interior space than either a rwd or 4x4 for the simple fact that there is no drive shaft running along the length of the car.

If you like your current car then a bit of lateral thinking is all that's needed.
My daily was a MX5 for 12 years, as a keen MTB's we've never had a problem transporting the bikes, we've toured around Europe, camped, shopped, moved furniture and done everything else a daily user needs to do.
You just need to think things through beforehand is all.

If you fancy a bigger car though and something that's still fun to drive then you won't find much better than a Diesel BMW estate.
BMW make some of the best diesel motors i've come across, they're generally pretty fun to drive and although rwd they're still fairly roomy.

If you want to stay VAG then how about a older Audi S6 or if you don't fancy the fuel bills of a 4.2L V8 then a A3 sportback, they also do A3's in 4x4 if that floats your boat.
Neither will be as involved handling wise as your Seat, but still decent cars with a decent resale value.



Cheers
Mark
 

JC1984

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Thanks Mark...that's a really helpful response. I like the idea of having a 4x4 for the shocking roads up here every winter...but then the Leon has been really good in ice and snow as long as it isn't deep enough to make it a snow-plough.

I've got a guy from the Renault dealership badgering me about the new Megane 265 Cup...I guess what you're saying about your MX5 applies to that. Bit of planning and it can still do what I need it to do.

I think I will have to have a bit more of a think on this one! Thanks again for your help Mark.
 
I have had two petrol X-Trails over the past 6 years, first an 03, and now an 06. Both petrol, high spec models (currently "Adventura")
I do quite high mileage, and some light off roading and have had absolutely no problems with either car. No MOT failures, no minor electrical faults, nothing. So touch wood, as maybe I've just been lucky!
I recently left my car whilst away for a six week trip in Sweden and Norway, and it started first time, no worries.
They are a little thristy compared to a smaller car, but very comfortable. I think for a small SUV it's a good option.
I did have a friend who bought one too cheap (quite old and very high mileage), which he did have a few problems with, so I would try to buy a low mileage late model if poss.
Good luck with your decision making!
 

cbr6fs

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Thanks Mark...that's a really helpful response. I like the idea of having a 4x4 for the shocking roads up here every winter...but then the Leon has been really good in ice and snow as long as it isn't deep enough to make it a snow-plough.

I've got a guy from the Renault dealership badgering me about the new Megane 265 Cup...I guess what you're saying about your MX5 applies to that. Bit of planning and it can still do what I need it to do.

I think I will have to have a bit more of a think on this one! Thanks again for your help Mark.

In my experience for mild off-roading (i.e. getting to and parking at out of the way MTB trails) and winter road use tyres are FAR more important than what wheels are driven.

With a decent set of winter tyres i've seen fwd cars sail past 4x4's on snowy hills.
There is also 4x4 a vast difference between 4x4 systems.

If you pitched say a Pajero against say a VAG hatch like say the R32 Golf the difference is night and day as with the Pajero you can lock the centre diff, with most VAG 4x4's they use a Haldex 4x4 system with no locking centre diff.

As i say though unless you intend on taking in some green lanes a fwd with the appropriate tyres is as good in all but the hardest conditions.


The Mrs had a 225 Megane and it was an absolutely fantastic car, they look massive but as soon as you drive it it seems to shrink around you.
The motor is fantastic with absolutely no sigh of turbo lag, it pulls smooth from any revs and any gears.
The handling is also fantastic with the ability to lift off over-steer pretty much at will.

Renault do have a bad reputation with regards to reliability, we had no problems the 5 or so years we ran the 225.
My bro-in-law runs his own garage and specialises in Renault and you seem to get Renault sports (the sports are assembled in a different factory to the other Renaults) that either run for ever, or they have nothing but problems.

I won't surprise you to know though that the ones that run forever are the ones that are well looked after and serviced on the dot when needed.

Saying that though you should not expect the same build quality as your VAG, you are going to get the odd rattle and squeak so if that sort of thing bothers you then i'd probably stick to VAG.

Speaking as someone who recently bought a 2005 3.2L V6 Audi A3 though to me those rattles and squeaks are a small price to pay for such subtle handling.

Unfortunately i need an Automatic (paralysed left arm) which reduces my car choices dramatically, if i coud drive a manual though i'd have either a Clio or Megane sport and trust me i've had hundreds of cars over the years from 911's to Elan's.


As i say though it really depends on what your priorities are and what you want out of a car.


Another thing i'd say is, i used to have an estate car mainly because of MTBing because i got so ****** off with messing about with bike racks.
In the end i went back to using a bike rack even on the estate as i was sick of getting the interior messed up and scratched.
I'd lay a few old blankets down but inevitably you'd be tired after a long ride so you wouldn't pay attention as you loaded your bike so i'd scrunch up the blanket while sliding the bikes in only to find a nice patterned oil stain on the seat the shape of a front crank :(

I've tried roof racks, rear racks, internal loading etc and by far the best method of transporting bikes i've found was borrowing my mates van.
Second best is a decent bike rack mounted on a tow bar.
Quick easy, doesn't damage the car or the bike.


To be honest Paul i recon your Seat is a pretty decent car and will do 99% (on-road) that a 4x4 will do but be more fuel efficient, easier to park, cheaper on repairs and maintenance and more enjoyable to drive (on roads).


Whatever your short list though make sure you test drive the hell out of the cars.
Before i bought the A3 i went on a 2 hour test drive :lmao:
Drive the car on the roads you are likely to drive it on the most and try a few different cars of that version so you can tell if the one you like drives well in comparison.

It's a buyers market these days so be mega mega choosy, if the dealer isn't happy about a 30min test drive then walk down the road and find one that is, he'll be just as happy to take your money off you.



Cheers
Mark
 

JC1984

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Thanks again Mark. I know what you mean about sticking the bike in the back, that's what I've been doing with the Seat and I always have a nice nobbled mud pattern on the back of the seats (my cranks have protectors so I don't get the permanent scarring thankfully!).

Yeah I am not too fussed for squeaks and rattles (having been brought up with 205s and 106s) and I was even looking at a Ginetta G40R which is just ludicrously impractical (the Ginetta factory is just round the corner from work and I got a full factory tour which had me hooked!).

I think you are right on the test drive idea...I think I'll get contacting some garages and have a good look online for MTB carrying equipment.

See....I've gone full circle again in 24 hours! Ahhh the joys...
 

cbr6fs

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It's always tough narrowing down the list when you buy a new car, biggest problem is that we are all different.

I've been driving my little hairdressers car for years and love it, but with import and insurance problems i needed to buy something else, as i need an Automatic and there are no Greek Auto MX5's i've been looking at and test driving replacements for the last 8 months.

I've test driven everything from Land Rover Defenders to 911's and i just haven't clicked with the right car.
What makes it worse is that i fitted a supercharger to my MX5 so its putting out around 240 to 260 bhp so being just over 900kg even a Boxster S feels pretty timid in comparison.

As i say i ended up buying a 05 3.2L V6 A3 with the DSG gearbox.
The gearbox is absolutely fantastic but i'm really struggling to get on with the car as everything feels like there is 5cm of sponge between the road and control surfaces.

The grip is absolutely phenomenal, i've got absolutely no doubt that when i visit the track it's lap times will annihilate the MX5's lap times BUT (and i realise i sound a bit dumb to non car enthusiasts here) it's just to good to the point where there is speed but no fun in driving it.

There is no feedback to the driver and the car doesn't move around like the MX5.

I'll keep the A3 through winter but the search will continue next summer :(


So i can sympathise with your indecision and mind changing, my advice (which i didn't take myself) is to 100% judge the car on the test drive, not just how the car drives but also if it meets all your requirements for space and comfort.

End of the day though it's not a life decision, if you buy something that's good and at the right price and end up not liking it at worst you sell it in 6 months and get your money back, at best you make a few quid.




Cheers
Mark
 

Andy BB

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I remember James Hunt (a GP champion for you youngsters) saying the car he had most fun in was an old A35. No performance, dodgy handling, awful brakes, no chance of a speeding ticket, but exciting at sensible speeds! To be honest, its a bit like Ducatis - terrible until you hit 90mph when it all sort of comes together.
 

JC1984

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Well I've sort of come to the conclusion that the RS Megane is being put off until the Spring (if at all) - As good as the Renault 4+ offer is, I'm struggling with the prospect of having a car for 4 years! So I am going to try and get some test drives in an X-Trail and if my boat is not floated, then I will stick with the Leon FR for the winter.

Was transporting a weekend bag (GF is now on nightshifts for a week so I'm away back home), football kit bag (match tonight) and my kayak (getting some repairs done) and I can't fit it all in the boot...which when parking in the centre of Newcastle in a dodgy dark car park is not ideal. My GF and I were at a remote spot on the coast over the weekend, only accessible by a very rough track - not only could we not make it through the flooded road, but she also walloped a rock which her front bumper wasn't overly impressed with! Then the day after we went to Glendale Show and the field was very tricky to get out of by the end of the day with all the rain, my Leon was as grippy as ever, but it wasn't ideal.

So all in all, I am definitely swinging towards something a bit bigger and more rugged like the X-Trail - even just for the winter months.
 

cbr6fs

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Be really interested to see what you think after a test drive.

Bit left field but how about a BMW 330D estate?
Huggeeeeeeeeeeeeeee boot, cracking motor (even though it's diesel) and a fairly entertaining drive.

Only downside is most are rwd so not exactly ideal for getting out of muddy fields, rwd is great fun once you've got going on said muddy field though ;)

There are also 4x4 versions as well though.
 

JC1984

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Yeah will keep you in the loop.

Not a huge fan of BMW's...mainly because the roads near me are so poor in the winter. Did look at A4 Quattro estates though...been the shape of the older ones is starting to look a bit tired IMHO.
 

cbr6fs

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I recently test drove a 330d with 4x4 and was pleasantly surprised, bit more of a rear bias than the Haldex VAG system so a bit more enjoyable to drive.

The newer VAG 4x4 systems are vastly superior than the earlier systems, my 05 A3 4x4 system is terrible.
It works okish on it's own, but it's obvious that the ESP/Traction control engineers never met or spoke with the Haldex engineers as the 2 systems work against each other THAT much.

With ESP switched on the 4x4 system is absolutely 100% useless on my car as the ESP cuts the power way before the Haldex can transfer any torque back to the rear wheels.

With the ESP off though it does start to make sense.
 

TurboGirl

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We've sold a few x-trails and the customers are usually delighted with 'em for the uber-practical vulcanised rubber load area which wraps around the whole of the extended boot area with the seats down. They're extremely roomy inside with some great practical design features like a drink warmer/ cooler in some models- check its got its cup in, lots are missing.

We've seen a diesel with 1900000 miles and it was still sweet as a nut (it had full service history though, always good!). I like the petrol as they're pretty nippy ( I have Heavy Right Foot Syndrome ;) ) but we've seen 2 with leaking petol filler pipes, watch out as some folk just clag them up with fibreglass rather than replace. (EDIT HWMBO reckons the fuel solenoids can be troublesome on both petrol & diesel-keep fuel filters genuine, aftermarket ones exacerate the problem)

Get yourself down to an independant near you- infact go to a few- they should be delighted to show their vehicles off and let you test drive accompanied if they're worth buying from :)
 
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