News sources

[HorseGuy]

I'd love to find an independant source but make do with reading from a range of sites from both sides of the political spectrum.

It would be nice to find an independent news channel which just presents facts and then lets people come to their own conclusions without any added spin or opinions. Unfortunately all of the newspapers and TV news channels seem to be heavily biased one way or another.

To get a balanced view of general news and politics I look at both the Telegraph and the Guardian to see what each side are saying. To get a balanced view of events in Ukraine I read both News Pravda (Ukrainian news) and Russia Today to see what each side are telling their own populations.

Zero Hedge is an interesting but odd-ball news source which contains important and interesting news stories which get deliberately ignored by mainstream media outlets. ZH needs to be read with a pinch of salt though because it's excessively right-wing biased and a bit tinfoil hat at times so keep that in mind when reading it.

For military and war news I've found that the Canadian Prepper / Prepper News channel (mostly in the morning) and New York Prepper (sometimes in the evenings) on Youtube are the most upto date and comprehensive sources of information. They regularly find important military news days, or sometimes even months, before it enters the mainstream media. They also go into much more detail than the mainstream media too. However being prepper channels they also have their own style of bias and come with an over-alarming presentation which is a bit repetitive and tiresome. However that's worth putting up with in my opinion as they are still the best source of military and war news that I have found.

As I say these sources are all biased in different ways but between them they seem to cover most of the bases adequately. With financial news I look at various charts and graphs first to allow me to form my own opinions before reading the financially related news afterwards.

 

[Pattree]

Unfortunately all of the newspapers and TV news channels seem to be heavily biased one way or another.

May I ask how have you made this assessment? Not challenging you. Seeking information.

How would you recognise an unbiased report without another verified source? How would you assess that one?

Are the biased sources showing a consistent bias or do their leanings differ with the subject matter?

Just as some here never use TV or Radio, I never use social network communities or video sharing platforms as news sources or current affairs information.

That could be called :
A policy decision.
A bias.
A prejudice.

……. depending upon your policy decisions, biases or prejudices

 

[HorseGuy]

May I ask how have you made this assessment? Not challenging you. Seeking information.

How would you recognise an unbiased report without another verified source?

There is no perfect method. I just try to use common sense (what little I have) and try to be as unbiased and honest with myself as possible (easier said than done).

Often it seems obvious when one side or another is being biased. Other times not so much. That's why I try to read a wide-ranging source of news from both politically left and right-wing rags as well as from a wide range of other sources.

 

[TeeDee]

I think a good indicator of a news sources ethical and moral codes is if they are caught in the public sphere with tampering and presenting their creation as 'fact' as opposed to 'fabrication' - regardless of whom the target ( and how you may feel about them ) of that fabrication is.


Cutting and splicing audio and presenting it as a single piece would be an example of that.

 

[Pattree]

No one knows why the BBC presentation was treated in this way.
I’m certainly not going to attempt to anticipate any forthcoming judgement that shall be much better informed than am I. Even in the most damming of cases, I am unlikely to let an incident like this to wholly undermine a lifetime of experience.

I will agree that an assessment of any news source cannot be absolute. It has to be based on degrees of approach and a vast range of examples.

So much of the so called reporting on the internet seems to me to be a rehearsal of the uninformed or the extension of anecdote/one off.

 

[TLM]

Before you can judge a source to be biased you have to select your own (partisan?) stance from which to make the assessment.

I don't quite agree there, facts are facts if it is biased it is already an opinion. Sometimes it is difficult to tell one from another and sometimes facts are reported with words that by themselves give the wrong connotations even though superficially correct. But I agree that judging the factual part is not always easy.

 

[Nice65]

It would be nice to find an independent news channel which just presents facts and then lets people come to their own conclusions without any added spin or opinions. Unfortunately all of the newspapers and TV news channels seem to be heavily biased one way or another.

Ground News is an app I've been using. It's not a news channel, they collate the same stories from as many different sources as they can and list them along with their (the sources) political leanings. Means you can compare the way the story is presented.

Ground News

Top Stories from around you and around the world. Compare how different news publishers frame the same news

ground.news

Edit: @TeeDee has already mentioned GN. I agree TeeDee, I avoid most of the news, a lot of it winds me up and there's nothing I can do about it. Also, I grew up in a time where the news was much more local. Now it's possible to connect with pretty much every news story worldwide, which is a bit overwhelming at times.

 

[HorseGuy]

Ground News is an app I've been using. It's not a news channel, they collate the same stories from as many different sources as they can and list them along with their (the sources) political leanings. Means you can compare the way the story is presented.

Ground News

Top Stories from around you and around the world. Compare how different news publishers frame the same news

ground.news

Edit: @TeeDee has already mentioned GN. I agree TeeDee, I avoid most of the news, a lot of it winds me up and there's nothing I can do about it. Also, I grew up in a time where the news was much more local. Now it's possible to connect with pretty much every news story worldwide, which is a bit overwhelming at times.

It sounds ideal from your description. I saw you mention it earlier today and have already saved it to my favorites so that I can look at it properly tomorrow. I'll let you know what I think.

 

[Kadushu]

I'm torn between not falling into Gell-Mann amnesia and not throwing the baby out with the bath water. There has to be some allowance for inaccuracy /bias.

 

[gibson 175]

maybe a good starting point for any news is who is paying for it to be reported. The public have a right to know. After all it takes time, money ,staff to create news. The only thing is transparency about the process and accountability for what is printed...hence rules and regulations I suppose .

 

[HorseGuy]

Ground News is an app I've been using. It's not a news channel, they collate the same stories from as many different sources as they can and list them along with their (the sources) political leanings. Means you can compare the way the story is presented.

Ground News

Top Stories from around you and around the world. Compare how different news publishers frame the same news

ground.news

Edit: @TeeDee has already mentioned GN. I agree TeeDee, I avoid most of the news, a lot of it winds me up and there's nothing I can do about it. Also, I grew up in a time where the news was much more local. Now it's possible to connect with pretty much every news story worldwide, which is a bit overwhelming at times.

Its content appears to be an AI generated summary taken from a range of news sources which are listed and clearly labeled as being left of right wing. I'm generally not a fan of AI created content but this site is an interesting one. I'll stick with it for a few days longer and see how I get on with it.

 

[slaine_23]

It’s long been known that control of the media means control of the message, social media platforms making this increasingly easy and biased

The political effects of X’s feed algorithm - Nature

Among users initially on a chronological feed, 7 weeks of exposure to X’s algorithmic feed in 2023 shifted political attitudes and account-following behaviour in a more conservative direction compared with those remaining on a chronological feed, whereas switching the feed setting in the...

www.nature.com

 

[slaine_23]

It’s hard not to find some media that doesn’t fold to ones own political views, and similarly there’s a lot out there which is so biased and unreliable I can’t even read it (Daily Mail anyone?)
A good rule of thumb I find is to avoid anything suggested by people adamantly informing me they know what’s what, that they’ve “done their research”.
Course you have, here have a banana.

 

[Silverclaws2]

It’s long been known that control of the media means control of the message, social media platforms making this increasingly easy and biased

The political effects of X’s feed algorithm - Nature

Among users initially on a chronological feed, 7 weeks of exposure to X’s algorithmic feed in 2023 shifted political attitudes and account-following behaviour in a more conservative direction compared with those remaining on a chronological feed, whereas switching the feed setting in the...

www.nature.com

The narrative yeah, and the narrative of which we may observe influences politicians to act. For myself to have thus far concluded it's the media, the self styled but not vox populi that influences the direction in which the country must move, the wealth owned unelected media.

I understand if a force sought a bloodless coupe all that is needed is to gain control of the media to in event direct the narrative

 

[Pattree]

If it’s got “Truth”, “Democracy”, “Honest” or “Unbiased” in its title ………

 

[TeeDee]

It’s long been known that control of the media means control of the message, social media platforms making this increasingly easy and biased

The political effects of X’s feed algorithm - Nature

Among users initially on a chronological feed, 7 weeks of exposure to X’s algorithmic feed in 2023 shifted political attitudes and account-following behaviour in a more conservative direction compared with those remaining on a chronological feed, whereas switching the feed setting in the...

www.nature.com

It’s hard not to find some media that doesn’t fold to ones own political views, and similarly there’s a lot out there which is so biased and unreliable I can’t even read it (Daily Mail anyone?)
A good rule of thumb I find is to avoid anything suggested by people adamantly informing me they know what’s what, that they’ve “done their research”.
Course you have, here have a banana.

Hmmmm... does that not sound like the same thing?

 

[slaine_23]

Hmmmm... does that not sound like the same thing?

No, I don’t think so, there are some universally accepted ideas on the media. The article linked is actual research not bookface ramblings.

 

[slaine_23]

If it’s got “Truth”, “Democracy”, “Honest” or “Unbiased” in its title ………

Or is an “antidote” to the MSM.

Also we shouldn’t forget that fact times importance equals news -

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1210726708.1174/bg,f8f8f8-flat,750x,075,f-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.jpg

 

[Nice65]

Its content appears to be an AI generated summary taken from a range of news sources which are listed and clearly labeled as being left of right wing. I'm generally not a fan of AI created content but this site is an interesting one. I'll stick with it for a few days longer and see how I get on with it.

The content isn’t AI generated, AI is used to gather the news sources. AI generated implies possible fake news.

I used Google to find that information, but it doesn’t mean it’s an AI generated answer.

 

[TLM]

Excuse me, sorry to interrupt but could I have some suggestions for UK news sources, I know of The Guardian and have followed it in the past but I do not have a positive feeling about it. Just looking for a source for kind of general overview, I really don't need much details.