Mystery damascus

[hellize]

Yes, Europe should be grateful for the brave Hungarians. It was a testing time for the whole area, the Moslems invaded Europe on many fronts, Iberian peninsula, south eastern Europe, and took many Centuries to push out, at a huge cost to life.

But, the Moslems left parts of their culture behind, specially food culture, which we should be grateful for!

My people, from the Austro Hungarian Empire, had a tricky time in the last onslaught on Wien, but got saved by the Poles (I believe)

Eh, those struggles are mostly forgotten Other parts of Europe saw an unparalleled flourish at the very same time. Meanwhile east Europe suffered from the turks (bulgarians, greeks, macedons, albans, etc were overrun and enslaved, moldovans, wallachians, croatians, transylvanians, etc. pushed into poor vasal states and only hungary, later austro-hungary took up the iron gloves), the western countries were free of real burden and could colonize the new world, becoming stinking rich in the process, btw.
Only Venice had battles with them, but only on sea I think, and maybe a hand full of times the Spanish on sea and a few times on north African soil. Oh and there was one single time, when the portugese provoked them also in north africa with a large Landsknecht army, but that was a total disaster, they even lost their king there

 

[hellize]

Not counting other conflicts on the Indian ocean of course, those had nothing to do with the east european ottoman threat

 

[snappingturtle]

Eh, those struggles are mostly forgotten Other parts of Europe saw an unparalleled flourish at the very same time. Meanwhile east Europe suffered from the turks (bulgarians, greeks, macedons, albans, etc were overrun and enslaved, moldovans, wallachians, croatians, transylvanians, etc. pushed into poor vasal states and only hungary, later austro-hungary took up the iron gloves), the western countries were free of real burden and could colonize the new world, becoming stinking rich in the process, btw.
Only Venice had battles with them, but only on sea I think, and maybe a hand full of times the Spanish on sea and a few times on north African soil. Oh and there was one single time, when the portugese provoked them also in north africa with a large Landsknecht army, but that was a total disaster, they even lost their king there

Not by all of us my thanks to your people.

 

[Janne]

Half of Spain and the coast line up to Marseille in France were under the Moor occupation.
Not for long in France though. The Moors ( Muslim Arabs) in Spain were there for centuries.
Spain was a bunch of weak kingdoms, and had no chance, until they unified.
But, the moors left a rich cultural heritage ( Alhambra a good example, plus most southern Spanish dishes) and DNA.

As you say, once the Spanish unified, kicked out the Moor rule, the strong state could colonize huge areas of the World, and get filthy rich.

I have always wondered where those riches ended up. Nothing left today, that is for sure!

A guy like you would have been a very important person in those days, making weapons.
A person like me would be very important, making people spilling their secrets and confessing!

 

[Janne]

History seems a subject that is not important these days, be it in schools or in life.


And your skills with metals, and other crafts. Dying out arts!

My enjoyment on this forum is seeing all the wonderful handiwork/crafts done by people here.

 

[hellize]

Not by all of us my thanks to your people.

 

[hellize]

Half of Spain and the coast line up to Marseille in France were under the Moor occupation.
Not for long in France though. The Moors ( Muslim Arabs) in Spain were there for centuries.
Spain was a bunch of weak kingdoms, and had no chance, until they unified.
But, the moors left a rich cultural heritage ( Alhambra a good example, plus most southern Spanish dishes) and DNA.

As you say, once the Spanish unified, kicked out the Moor rule, the strong state could colonize huge areas of the World, and get filthy rich.

I have always wondered where those riches ended up. Nothing left today, that is for sure!

A guy like you would have been a very important person in those days, making weapons.
A person like me would be very important, making people spilling their secrets and confessing!

Yeah, but those were not turks. I was only talking about them.
You know, there was a time, when it seemed that the whole world will eventually become spanish. I believe the Spanish empire was too large with huge expenses and there was no treasure big enough which it couldn't swallow. It was mostly in dept. I know that King Phillip for example sent more than once aid, in the form of mexican gold to Transylvania to help against the turks. He never sent troops thou, but he did care!

 

[Janne]

Interesting!
Not the whole world. Too cold for them in Scandinavia!


The Turk people were hugely successful in the past.

No need for the Spanish to send troops. The Hungarians had Mr Tepeš, the original Superman!

Have you ever tried to bash out mokume game steel?
Copper/steel cladding with a good core steel?

 

[hellize]

Interesting!
Not the whole world. Too cold for them in Scandinavia!


The Turk people were hugely successful in the past.

No need for the Spanish to send troops. The Hungarians had Mr Tepeš, the original Superman!

Have you ever tried to bash out mokume game steel?
Copper/steel cladding with a good core steel?

Well, to come back to king Phillip, he did try to conquer England. So if he lived more and had better luck with weather, who knows where he would have stopped?!
(actually Vlad was a wallach prince vasal of the hungarian crown, to Matthias Rex more precisely, for some time, than vasal to the Sultan when the tide changed, you would call him romanian nowadays, he had no hungarian ancestry at all.)

Yes, I did once. But mokume contains no steel, only soft metals like copper, silver and the like. That's the point of it.