Military kit ID help

[ForgeCorvus]

Hiya Guys
Just a few bits I've got that I need some help on identifying, I could do with what they're called (Pattern if you can) and country of origin.

First off a couple of different canvas things (some kind of shelter parts/poncho I think)

Here is a close up of one end

Second one (I know its from a different army as the fittings arn't compatable). Its really a regular diamond shape

Some diagrams as to how to join them together printed on the inside

A small pack I've had since my 'mercenary' phase that I had at about 15, I used to thread a belt through the loops on the back.
I'd like to know what it is so I can get the correct straps to use this as a light pack

And the back

Finally a knapsack, what was it a carrier for and what date (ish)

 

[jayuk]

The first one is a West German army shelter half - you button two together to make a two man tent (without groundsheet). Each man would have a shelter half in a pouch made from the same material, and another small pouch containing aluminium pole sections and pegs. The shelter half can also turn into a rain cape - put your hands/arms through the two slits and put the pouch that the shelter half came in over your head as the hood (it's probably best not to wear it in public).

They also used to make a version with different camouflage patterns on each side.

The second diamond shaped one may be a decendant of a Wehrmacht one - I seem to remember seeing photos of six of them being buttoned together to form a shelter. It may be early post war West German or Swiss.

 

[launditch1]

The first four pics look like German zeltbahn(sp)shelter halves.The pack is a british army 1944 pattern small pack.Looks in good order.Youll need a pair of 'l' straps for it.http://www.karkeeweb.com/patterns/1944/1944_haversack.html the knapsack..looks U.S. army to me with those snaps..what does it say on the front?I can see case, carrying,?????, reciever.Radio equipment i think...

 

[launditch1]

These are the straps youll need for the 44 pack..http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/British-Army-...Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item3cad202055
i reckon you could find them elsewhere though...

 

[w00dsmoke]

The diamond tarp is an arctic tent sheet. Many combinations of tents can be made up using loads of others. I have a reference book with this in it. These were used by marines a long time ago.

 

[ForgeCorvus]

So, is the first shelter half for a ridge tent or a bell (like those Polish Lavvu)? and could somebody tell me how to pronounce "zeltbahn"
I think I've seen a picture of a shelter made from those Diamond sections somewhere in the last day or so...maybe on here ?
Thanks for the info on the 44 pack, I'll look out for some 44 Pat L straps
The writting on the knapsack shows up better in the photo then in the flesh

Does anyone know how 37 Pat L straps fasten onto the bottom of the large pack BTW

 

[launditch1]

Do you mean the 37 patt large pack?If so youll need the two utility straps as well as the l straps.Attach the wide part of the l straps to the wide tabs at the top of the pack, then thread the strap through the buckle of the utility strap, this strap then crosses over the front of the pack to be threaded through the buckle at the side of the wide tab.....

Thats how i do it anyway!Im sure theres instructions on that karkee website about assembly of 37 patt web gear.

 

[dp0001]

and could somebody tell me how to pronounce "zeltbahn"

tseylt barn

 

[Mike8472]

the first and second ones are zeltbahns, here is a couple of websites about their history and usage along with a list of examples from different countries.

http://www.zeltbahn.net/

http://zeltbahn.panzerwerk.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=50