I've no idea - I've never attended any.
But I would be very surprised if there weren't a few egos present.
But having never attended I have no idea.
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I've no idea - I've never attended any.
But I would be very surprised if there weren't a few egos present.
But having never attended I have no idea.
It’s a different scenario though so probably a different mindset and type of person - you don’t go to a bushcraft meet up seeking fame and fortune, but reality tv you do so there is probably a subtle difference in personality type at those two events. Also at a bushcraft meet up you can always get away from or ignore (for the most part) those you find irritating etc. which probably isnt possible on a reality tv show where the contestants are purposefully put into close proximity for each other
Absolutely agree its different and not easy to replicate a stressful scenario such as we are discussing unless its expedition based and you start throwing in some stressors ( Lack of food , being cold , expectations , other people ) - I'm just not sure if its realistic or kind to suggest everyone that wants to go on that type of show is some sort of super narcistic media hoe.
If that question is aimed at myself Tengu , Two main reasons.
Same reasons why I respond to a few people here.....
1) Entertainment
2) Holding onto a shred of Hope that things may one day change.
There's always hope Teedee, revolutions are built on hope! (Star Wars quote of the day.)
So lets pose the question, if current reality survival shows are bad, what would make a good one? Clearly there has to be a entertainment element to it all, maybe they could do a survivorman style show but with contestants (so called survival experts - don't try this at home kids) - 5 contestants in a survivorman scenario, all in separate locations but with the same setting, say in the boreal forest with a wrecked plane, a SAK and a bag of crisps. They film themselves and last one out wins.
So lets pose the question, if current reality survival shows are bad, what would make a good one? Clearly there has to be a entertainment element to it all, maybe they could do a survivorman style show but with contestants (so called survival experts - don't try this at home kids) - 5 contestants in a survivorman scenario, all in separate locations but with the same setting, say in the boreal forest with a wrecked plane, a SAK and a bag of crisps. They film themselves and last one out wins.
Why Last one out? Is Survival about endurance? Or should it be about self rescue?
( Just playing Devils Advocate ) I don't know what would make an interesting show - Seems most people are with Satre's view of other people ( although maybe misquoted ).
Whilst 'Alone' was an interesting show there is only so much voyeuristic mental degradation whilst sucking on a limpet under a tarpaulin I can endure for the contestants.
I vaguely remember ' Now get out of that ' https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0951013/
It seemed to have a good balance of challenge and struggle without resulting in the mundane nature of seeing who can lose body fat the slowest whilst being in a calorific deficit.
I never watched that but I have seen youtube clips.
OK, I agree self rescue it is. They have to survive 4 days as most rescues happen in 72 hours but once no rescue is forth coming they self rescue.
OK, I agree self rescue it is. They have to survive 4 days as most rescues happen in 72 hours but once no rescue is forth coming they self rescue.
Think I'd like a series where people go and test out their own built survival kits.
Here's a video of some small aircraft pilots on a course using the kit they carry.
Here's a video of some small aircraft pilots on a course using the kit they carry.
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Or the title is
"Could You Survive with Nothing but the Airplane Kit? We Try / Fail - BC Mountains - Flight VLOG"
I think sometimes the issues come down to what brings a group together. You mention originally reality tv shows, as others and you have clearly said, these are often an amalgamation of characters designed to clash - or designed to be out of their comfort zone.
I do think there is a natural order to personalities and how they fit in a hierarchy, but acceptance of "ying and yang" is probably the key.
I am a bit of an antisocial character with people I don't know or dislike - but I love socialising with people I really get on with. I know when it comes to a lot of situations, I enjoy observing and pushing on rather than forcing myself into the limelight... I don't like bullies and I don't like loudmouths who don't know what they're talking about (who does?). For arguments sake, if I was in a survival situation and Ray Mears stood up and said very loudly what everyone needs to do, I'd be more than happy to follow as ordered and do what he suggests... if however someone stood up with a lot of leadership bluster, but filled with ums and ahs and I thinks and maybes, it would get on my nerves and I'd have a hard time biting my tongue.
My main issue is I find in many situations, I know when someone is talking utter testes about the answer to a problem, however I don't necessarily know the answer myself... so it becomes difficult to challenge in an acceptable manner.
Reality tv, is disappointing in that I'd love to see something like Bear Grylls the island with a load of true bushcrafter, survivalists and watch them build something amazing... instead its often designed for entertainment, characters who won't necessarily clash, but often don't naturally spend time outdoors... city people who walk in a park every other day who want to test themselves...
I do think there is a natural order to personalities and how they fit in a hierarchy, but acceptance of "ying and yang" is probably the key.
I am a bit of an antisocial character with people I don't know or dislike - but I love socialising with people I really get on with. I know when it comes to a lot of situations, I enjoy observing and pushing on rather than forcing myself into the limelight... I don't like bullies and I don't like loudmouths who don't know what they're talking about (who does?). For arguments sake, if I was in a survival situation and Ray Mears stood up and said very loudly what everyone needs to do, I'd be more than happy to follow as ordered and do what he suggests... if however someone stood up with a lot of leadership bluster, but filled with ums and ahs and I thinks and maybes, it would get on my nerves and I'd have a hard time biting my tongue.
My main issue is I find in many situations, I know when someone is talking utter testes about the answer to a problem, however I don't necessarily know the answer myself... so it becomes difficult to challenge in an acceptable manner.
Reality tv, is disappointing in that I'd love to see something like Bear Grylls the island with a load of true bushcrafter, survivalists and watch them build something amazing... instead its often designed for entertainment, characters who won't necessarily clash, but often don't naturally spend time outdoors... city people who walk in a park every other day who want to test themselves...
I think one thing we have overlooked is the ‘material gain’ aspect - outlast for instance has a prize fund to win, and countless others have a monetary prize for ‘winning’ - I think that will draw a certain personality type aswell, and the motivations for acting in certain ways will be far different than if it was an altruistic type scenario
Slight detour from the topic, but out of pure idiocy, I'd love to see a zombie based survival show... Not sure how it'd work... naturally can't have folks being eaten left right and centre... nor bashing some poor zombie actor about the head, but I always find interest in the **** type of survivalists and how they could actually survive in reality...
Sadly as above, anything with a camera pointed at people attracts certain characters... half of which I would want to see eaten on day one....
Sadly as above, anything with a camera pointed at people attracts certain characters... half of which I would want to see eaten on day one....
I am autistic I don't do groups, used to hate any kind of group exercise of the problem solving kind because I knew damn well what to do and just resented the others getting in the way. Well it is not entirely true to say I don't do groups, because I have done a fair share of collaborative working in the past but more often than not I end up as the leader not because I want to be but because believe it or not neurotypicals just don't want to take on the responsibility and hassle, but for heaven's sake the last situation I would want to be in is with a bunch of people selected for personality who are in reality the biggest bunch of misfits you could ever bring together because central casting think that makes good TV. My goodness that would almost be as bad as chairing the allotment association.
With the first - its easy to know what to do , know whom to follow and know when to shut up and follow when its such a polarising end of the spectrum example - if Ray, Cody,Dave,Lofty, Bear etc were present you'd know that these guys were more experienced and the more obvious people to listen to because their knowledge and standing has already been proven. They have overt credentials.
With the second - this is more akin to real life - and its a difficult one , if one is not willing/prepared/able to make a decision for themselves and then be accountable for their own responsibility and action then sometimes we need to recognise that within ourselves and allow ourselves to be 'lead'
I think this maybe the epitome of ' Lead, Follow or get out the way ' which sounds harsh but equally if we are unable to lead ourselves at least gives , some direction.
And I guess that is the crux of it - what traits do people show that one feels confidence in not necessarily following them , but working with them to a common aim. Its difficult to read people , especially if a game is being played.
I have on occasion watched 'the apprentice' and the spin off program where they interview contestants after they are fired.
During the program they all come across as complete incompetent, arrogant a-holes. In the 'after' programme (I didnt watch it enough to remember what it was called) they all came across as really nice.
I find most people are OK once you get to know them
During the program they all come across as complete incompetent, arrogant a-holes. In the 'after' programme (I didnt watch it enough to remember what it was called) they all came across as really nice.
I find most people are OK once you get to know them