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Feb 21, 2010
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Bit of a cliche, but it is only stuff most of which can be replaced.

Important thing is making sure your family and loved ones are safe.

Once your over the shock and the insurance claim forms are sent off, it is actually extremely cleansing to no longer have any baggage.
 
Family being safe is of course the most important thing.
Material items can be replaced, yes, and as such aren't that important.
Things like photo albums/family heirlooms and so on are irreplaceable and treasured by many.
I was thinking more in terms of the disruption to peoples lives. Where to live for the many months or longer before rebuilding? If you worked in one of the businesses that burned, you're now homeless and unemployed.
Some people undoubtedly didn't have insurance.
Disasters happen every day all over the world, true enough, and someone somewhere will always be worse off, but I can still sympathize with those who suffer from disaster of any kind, wherever it may be.
 
I've always wondered if there was any thing you could do help protect your home, or are the temps to high to make anything you effective? is down to the building materials used? would even a fire break around the house work or would it have to be so big as to be unworkable?
 
I realy feel for those folks who have lost everything but their lives!
I hope things improve for them quickly.

This is one reason to have a good Bug Out Bag ready - it helps (in the short term at least) when the unexpected happens.
 
I've always wondered if there was any thing you could do help protect your home, or are the temps to high to make anything you effective? is down to the building materials used? would even a fire break around the house work or would it have to be so big as to be unworkable?

In a town or city I expect a firebreak is impossible as the buildings are just to close. In the countryside the woods are one of the reasons you move there so one would be unlikely; at least precut firebreaks round the individual homes would be unlikely but they are used by the forrestry services as a firefighting technique. As to building materials most North American home are timber framed even if they are faced with masonry. In fact pure brick or stone homes are illegal in some earthquake zones so we are very vulnerable indeed. Although wood and gypsum (drywall) materials are treated to be fire resistant I don't imagine any current materials (even masonry) withstanding those temperatures.

I am elated that as big as this disaster was/is there are no fatalities reported as yet.
 
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Everytime I hear or read about something like this, I find myself walking throught the house, wondering what I'd really miss, if something like this would happen to us.
Strangely enough, the outcome is the same everytime. Most of the stuff I wouldn't mind to much, some things I'd feel sad about if I were to loose them, but would get over quite fast.
There are very few items that I do treasure and would consider a great loss.

What I fear most, apart from my family getting heart, is actually the stress of the moment and the aftermath of the event.

Being forced to live in an emergencyshelter with many others, no room, no place to call your own, not knowing what will be happening next..... That would be the real challenge to me.
 
I've looked though my belongings too. Family heirlooms such as Mama's furniture, daddy's guns (and one of my Grandfather's also), family photos over 80 years old. Yes there are quite a few things I do treasure and would miss but in the end I realized they are just things. I own them and I will not let them own me.
 
I've always wondered if there was any thing you could do help protect your home, or are the temps to high to make anything you effective? is down to the building materials used? would even a fire break around the house work or would it have to be so big as to be unworkable?

Really depends on the type of wood, density of trees, size of the fire etc.
Even things like the humidity and moisture in the soil.

Over here in August the merest spark will set off a fire, absolutely everything is literally tinder dry and crisp.

The fires spread simply by the wind picking up embers, carrying them away, the embers then fall on the tinder dry ground, grass etc and another forest fire is set off literally miles away from the original one.

Our house was a good 50m away from the nearest tree.
We were/are very anal about not having vegetation around the property, it was a concrete rebar house with terracotta clay tiles, there was some wood as roofing joists but nothing more.

It still burnt to the ground with a heat so intense it cracked and crumbled the concrete.

Another rough estimate of the heat generated, as kid next doors shed was set on fire by some kids.
Typical shed stuff inside nothing really flammable and it was a good 20m away, as quick as me Dad could douse the side of the house with a hose it evaporated, the heat was THAT intense it actually melted my bedroom window.
Again this was 20m away.


So i'm doubtful anything could stop your house burning down this side of thousands and thousand of litres of water.

Another thing worth mentioning though, is when our property burnt down in 97 the first thing we lost was water.
The heat burst the pipes.

Yet another statistic to give you some idea of the heat involved.
Most the planes and helicopters are capable of dumping between 4000 litres and nearly 18,000 litres on a fire in seconds.
To watch these though and the little impact they have on the fire, you'd be forgiven for thinking the pilot is only peeing on the fire.


2 years ago we had a fire on mountain behind our house, we had 4 planes and 3 helicopters in constant rotation on what was essentially an extremely small fire of and area less than 1 square km.


2 of the helicopters were absolute monsters as well.
I snapped a few pics, hope no one minds me putting them up?

The first was a Erickson air-crane, that carries 114,000 litres of water.

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The other the absolutely enormous Mi-26TP.
This alone carries an astonishing 17,260 litres of water.

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It took these 7 aircraft 5 hours to quash the flames enough that the on-the-ground firemen could get close enough to physically breath, (you suffocate in a forest fire way before you burn).

So i think it's difficult to imagine the kind of heat put out by these wildfires.



Cheers
Mark
 
There's only one method I've seen that can save your property from a wildfire-it's a sprinkler system http://www.onestopfire.com/sprinklers.htm , widely used here to protect cabins/recreation properties/hunting & fishing lodges etc in remote areas. The key is water. Remote areas here mean lakes. Thousands of them. Practically every cabin is built beside a lake, so obviously water is unlimited.
A special high pressure pump is used, connected to a 5 gallon tank with a quick disconnect fuel line so tanks can be changed if necessary without shutting the pump off.
It's set up at the edge of a lake/river with hoses run as far as required to reach the building. Branching off the main line are a number of smaller hoses which supply the sprinklers.
These are set up in such a way as to completely soak the buildings and surrounding area. They are installed on roofs and on poles set as high as possible. These poles are merely trees cut down, stripped of branches and then wired to a nearby tree, with the sprinkler fastened on top.
This system has saved many buildings here, but of course has drawbacks such as:
-time is needed for set up.
-the sprinklers must be on for a few hours to thoroughly soak everything down before the fire reaches the property.
-If the pump quits, it's game over.
If there's time to set up such a system, the chances of saving your property is very good.
Of course, in a town it's a different story as water supplies are limited.
The system above is about the only hope, because if the winds are strong and that fire is barreling down on you like a freight train, no aerial waterdrops or ground crew will be able to do much.
 

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