But don't forget that the 'crackling' and fat is the tastiest part of the pork, whether it's 'long' or ' short'. Our spare tires could be our downfall, Jo
Best regards,
Paul.
But don't forget that the 'crackling' and fat is the tastiest part of the pork, whether it's 'long' or ' short'. Our spare tires could be our downfall, Jo
Best regards,
Paul.
Yes, I intend to be stranded only with slow moving acquaintances that can't catch me
and don't know how to sharpen or use a knife. I might also make sure they're aware
that I wouldn't fit in the pot.
My boss once had to go on some ridiculous management training exercise where they
were given, first individually and then as a team, a list of things from which they could
choose a limited number in the hope of surviving on a desert island. The goal seemed
to be that they would pick 'the wrong' items individually but get it 'right' when acting as
a team. Unfortunately my boss got the 'right' items in the first place which made them
ask him what he would do if his team-mates hadn't agreed with him. He suggested
that he might take the signalling mirror he'd selected (no-one else had chosen the
mirror) and slit the throats of his team members and survive by himself
I suspect it was long into the afternoon and he was "at his most flippant" by then...
and don't know how to sharpen or use a knife. I might also make sure they're aware
that I wouldn't fit in the pot.
My boss once had to go on some ridiculous management training exercise where they
were given, first individually and then as a team, a list of things from which they could
choose a limited number in the hope of surviving on a desert island. The goal seemed
to be that they would pick 'the wrong' items individually but get it 'right' when acting as
a team. Unfortunately my boss got the 'right' items in the first place which made them
ask him what he would do if his team-mates hadn't agreed with him. He suggested
that he might take the signalling mirror he'd selected (no-one else had chosen the
mirror) and slit the throats of his team members and survive by himself
I suspect it was long into the afternoon and he was "at his most flippant" by then...
Yes, I intend to be stranded only with slow moving acquaintances that can't catch me
and don't know how to sharpen or use a knife. I might also make sure they're aware
that I wouldn't fit in the pot.
My boss once had to go on some ridiculous management training exercise where they
were given, first individually and then as a team, a list of things from which they could
choose a limited number in the hope of surviving on a desert island. The goal seemed
to be that they would pick 'the wrong' items individually but get it 'right' when acting as
a team. Unfortunately my boss got the 'right' items in the first place which made them
ask him what he would do if his team-mates hadn't agreed with him. He suggested
that he might take the signalling mirror he'd selected (no-one else had chosen the
mirror) and slit the throats of his team members and survive by himself
I suspect it was long into the afternoon and he was "at his most flippant" by then...
Well, speaking as a rugged bushcrafting individualist, I sympathise entirely with your bosss it must be time for tea and cake flippant, four oclock attitude
Best regards,
Paul.
I'm well past my 'eat by date' and mi wrappers a bit tatty too
I don't think I would need to be too hungry to eat a rare animal or person, but char grilled, and on a bed of crisp young leaves they may even be enjoyable,
but I think that the more bush craft I do, the more my need to resort to such measures will be lessened.
did that make any sense?
I don't think I would need to be too hungry to eat a rare animal or person, but char grilled, and on a bed of crisp young leaves they may even be enjoyable,
but I think that the more bush craft I do, the more my need to resort to such measures will be lessened.
did that make any sense?
I would say now, that I would do almost anything to survive. In the real world, in a real situation, no idea what would happen.
Was he not sent to Coventry by climbers, over this? I think, the bloke who's rope he cut had to make a big deal over the fact that in his place he would have done the same thing.
Was he not sent to Coventry by climbers, over this? I think, the bloke who's rope he cut had to make a big deal over the fact that in his place he would have done the same thing.
xylaria
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Yes completely, I remember watching a documentary on honey badgers of the Kalahari, and saw what looked like a potentilla. It was different obviously to a European plant, but it looked similar enough that I would risk eating it. I need to learn to trap animals, to survive comfortably.
I would like to think i would do what i needed to and if that was eating someone then so be it, but as said before who knows until it happens.
Fingers crossed i never find out.
Maslows hierarchy of needs is wrong, its just too simple a way of viewing things. The bottom levels of need can be over ridden by needs in the higher level so by definition its flawed. There is a better model but i cant think of it at the moment(did it 2 years ago in my mental health nurse training and i have slept since ) When i find it i will pop back in and update.
Fingers crossed i never find out.
Maslows hierarchy of needs is wrong, its just too simple a way of viewing things. The bottom levels of need can be over ridden by needs in the higher level so by definition its flawed. There is a better model but i cant think of it at the moment(did it 2 years ago in my mental health nurse training and i have slept since
) When i find it i will pop back in and update.
Maslows hierarchy of needs is wrong, its just too simple a way of viewing things. The bottom levels of need can be over ridden by needs in the higher level so by definition its flawed. There is a better model but i cant think of it at the moment(did it 2 years ago in my mental health nurse training and i have slept since
Bit of a sweeping statement there chap, Maslow is simple for sure, but don't right his triangle off completely
Bit of a sweeping statement there chap, Maslow is simple for sure, but don't right his triangle off completely
It is and i apologise for that
........but it gets banded about and i just dont like it (maslows theory that is ). Its too simple,it does not allow for concious thought. We are (on the whole) intelligent beings and our ability to think can over rule our base desires. As has been shown in various survival situations ( trying not to go off thread ) peoples views or moral stance, can cause them to starve and not survive. The problem i have with maslow is that he makes no allowance for this. But to give Malow a break the theory makes sence and works in a rough fashion. Also it was devised years and years ago. So its not written off totally
Sorry for going off topic abit here.
Greg
It is and i apologise for that
But to give Malow a break the theory makes sence and works in a rough fashion. Also it was devised years and years ago. So its not written off totally
for going off topic abit here.
Greg
You Mental Health Nurses are all alike, I should know, been married to one for 28 years
My Daughter is a 3rd year Mental Health student, and my lad may start his Mental Health training in 2009 (can't make up his mind yet) I'm a simple general Nurse
You Mental Health Nurses are all alike, I should know, been married to one for 28 years
SWMBO is a mental health nurse, her 2 daughters are student nurses, one child, one general and then theres me, a student mental health nurse specialising in forensics as i have done it as an N/A for nearly 10 years. so you can imagine the winter nights fly by in our house. The model i was thinking of is Roy' model of nursing.
Roy's model of nursing sees an individual as a set of interrelated systems, biological, psychological, and social. The individual tries to maintain a balance between each of these systems and the outside world. However, there is no absolute level of balance. According to Roy we all strive to live within a band where we can cope adequately. This band will be unique to an individual. The adaptation level is the range of adaptability within which the individual can deal effectively with new experiences.
Sr. Callista Roy maintains there are four main adaptation systems which she calls modes of adaptation. She calls these the physiological system, the self concept system, the role mastery system, and the interdependency system.
I cant find a link to it thats worth having. but if you really want to be bored and have loads of time try this
http://www.bc.edu/schools/son/faculty/theorist/Roy_Adaptation_Model.html
The beauty of it is that it allows for a fluid state of change driven by the individuals needs. This takes into consideration things like maslows but allows for personal choice. The problem with it is that it is a nursing model and not purely a needs model like maslows.
Others that could be applied would be
Roper logan and tierny activities of daily living.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roper_Logan_and_Tierney .
Neumans theory model http://www.patheyman.com/essays/neuman/concepts.htm
But i have been wrong before
Apologies for the length of this but i made a statement before and didnt back it up, with this i hope i have.
Cheers Greg
Good links Greg, so your house is full of Nurses too! Its just possible that there could be a time in a couple of years, when all four of us are at uni the same year on different courses The wife is starting her Masters in Clinical Practise this coming year, just shows, your never too old to learn (don't tell her I mentioned age). Good on you for going for your degree after working as an assistant, you are already leaps and bounds ahead of many newly qualified Nurses in that you have a wealth of practical experience and observations under your belt, something you can't learn from books mate.
Roper et al, takes me back a bit, but still valid as is Roy's I guess.
Back to the question as to how far I'd go, I'd eat someone without problem, a dead body is just a source of fat and protein to me in a hard survival situation, the spirit, soul, 'real person' goes with death. I've obviously never done it, but I've seen enough cadavers to know I would not think twice about eating one if that's all that was available to me as a food source.
Again, nice one on your training and I really hope it works out for you, Forensics is not a soft Nursing choice
The wife is starting her Masters in Clinical Practise this coming year, just shows, your never too old to learn (don't tell her I mentioned age). Good on you for going for your degree after working as an assistant, you are already leaps and bounds ahead of many newly qualified Nurses in that you have a wealth of practical experience and observations under your belt, something you can't learn from books mate.Roper et al, takes me back a bit, but still valid as is Roy's I guess.
Back to the question as to how far I'd go, I'd eat someone without problem, a dead body is just a source of fat and protein to me in a hard survival situation, the spirit, soul, 'real person' goes with death. I've obviously never done it, but I've seen enough cadavers to know I would not think twice about eating one if that's all that was available to me as a food source.
Again, nice one on your training and I really hope it works out for you, Forensics is not a soft Nursing choice
Cheers mate. forensics is a doddle for me, general nursing would have killed me as im needle phobic You never know all of us on the same seminar, it might give us something to talk about of interest rather than being bored by people waffling on about this model this ......this model that .........ooooppps isnt that what i have just done .
Greg
You never know all of us on the same seminar, it might give us something to talk about of interest rather than being bored by people waffling on about this model this ......this model that .........ooooppps isnt that what i have just done .Greg
