Good job I don't like fish....
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Periwinkles and limpets will be around for years, and I can't see bladderwrack running out any time soon! Plus, they don't move around as quick so they are easier to catch!!! 
On a serious note though, nothing will change and the fish will eventually run out. Then hopefully the human race will dwindle as food becomes scarce and it will serve us right. Maybe then, Mother Nature will be able to restore the balance, but if humans survive we'll only screw it all up again in a few more millenia
On a serious note though, nothing will change and the fish will eventually run out. Then hopefully the human race will dwindle as food becomes scarce and it will serve us right. Maybe then, Mother Nature will be able to restore the balance, but if humans survive we'll only screw it all up again in a few more millenia
It really doesn't surprise me, its been known about for years that we are over fishing but has anything being done.....no, there is too much money in it and everybody believes that their is always another fish in the sea
Take a look at global warming (that wont help the fish either), it has been ignored and now the weathers gone potty - birds are forgetting to fly south, I saw a tree last week with new leaves on it
Its all about money
, the casseroling evil (tried to spell necessary and the spell checker threw casseroling at me)
I have just been reading about the dangers of drinking milk, ok so it might be bad for you, but is anybody going to say don't buy milk because it'll make you ill? No
Will they put tax on it like cigarettes and alcohol just to discourage people from slowly killing themselves? No
It costs too much money to do things like this, so it never gets done.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm sort of sick of hearing bad things about the world.
Anyway back on thread I can believe it (but I don't want to have to)
Take a look at global warming (that wont help the fish either), it has been ignored and now the weathers gone potty - birds are forgetting to fly south, I saw a tree last week with new leaves on it
Its all about money
, the casseroling evil (tried to spell necessary and the spell checker threw casseroling at me)I have just been reading about the dangers of drinking milk, ok so it might be bad for you, but is anybody going to say don't buy milk because it'll make you ill? No
Will they put tax on it like cigarettes and alcohol just to discourage people from slowly killing themselves? No
It costs too much money to do things like this, so it never gets done.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm sort of sick of hearing bad things about the world.
Anyway back on thread I can believe it (but I don't want to have to)
And with it there goes that well known saying. Just imagine, in a few years time, one of my daughters may come home and say "Dad, my boyfriend just ditched me!" to which my reply would be "Never mind love, there're plenty more fish in the sea!"
Round about then I'll get scowled at only the way a woman can, and the reply will be "No there isn't, your generation saw to that!"
Round about then I'll get scowled at only the way a woman can, and the reply will be "No there isn't, your generation saw to that!"
spamel said:And with it there goes that well known saying. Just imagine, in a few years time, one of my daughters may come home and say "Dad, my boyfriend just ditched me!" to which my reply would be "Never mind love, there're plenty more fish in the sea!"
Round about then I'll get scowled at only the way a woman can, and the reply will be "No there isn't, your generation saw to that!"
:yelrotflm thanks spamel...its sad but true
and very funny
spamel said:...but if humans survive we'll only screw it all up again in a few more millenia
That is where you are completely wrong, when we have used up most of the easy oil (which we already have by the way) this IS the greatest civilisation this planet will produce for at least another 65 million years. Forget the stars, we are stuck here for ever!
Reasons:
- Easy oil needed to start another great civilisation. You can't start developing a civilisation with heavy crude only. You need surface oil. Any other oil needs too much investments in terms of energy to kickstart the process and make it worthwhile. And where is that oil going to come from?
- There are no true alternatives to oil. Oil is the only high concentrate liquid fuel that exists (soon existed) on some quantity on this planet. Nothing even comes close.
- Even if there would be enough oil for supporting the manufacture of a spaceship and its fuel if we are only 1 million people left, a lot of new innovations would have to be done. And 1 million heads just doesn't cope with that task as well as 7billion. Also, all the investments regarding supporting infrastructure will be impossible. Space travel is only possible because today very few people is producing the food (talking about western civilisation here). The majority just need something to occupy their time with. Research, engineering or construction beeing three such occupations
We are looking towards a serious cull in the earth's human population, the era of the humans is soon gone. Those remaining will be in a shrapmetal-stone-age, eeking a living of whatever is left.
torjusg said:
What a great excuse to tell the missus that I need to go out and brush up on my bushcraft skills!!!
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Bisamratte said:I saw a tree last week with new leaves on it
yeah ihave some garlic planted in my garden and the sprouts died for winter, only for them to grow back amonth and a half later
humans are having a seriously nackering affect on the earth and we dont seem to want to do anything about it. or not enough people do anywayhumph u'm glad i got that off my chest
phantom
What we have left of our fishing fleet catch an ever smaller catch year on year,was this allways so? How were our fish stocks before we were hoodwinked/taken into the common market and everyone fished our waters?
torjusg said:
Most of what you say is rubbish. You can synthesize petroleum substitutes from just about anything containing carbon. The South Africans were making oil from coal (Sasol) 30 years ago during the apartheid era.
I agree with you on one thing: we are looking towards a serious cull in the earth's human population. From what I've read, there are credible scientists (who know far more about these things than I do) who reckon that (at ca. 6.5 billion) the earth's current human population is 2 to 3 times the number that the planet can sustain in the medium to long term at current and predicted rates of consumption, economic growth, aspiration, likely political response, etc., etc.
Earlier this year, I read James Lovelock's book, The Revenge of Gaia. It makes pretty sober reading. If his conclusions are true, we are at or near some cataclysmic tipping points from which there will be no going back. In short, we are stuffed!
I used to regard those loony American 'survivalists', with their paranoia and their massive arsenals of firearms and their underground nuclear bunkers, out in the wilds of Oregon, as being completely bonkers. Now, I'm not so sure.
Burnt Ash
Burnt Ash said:
How are you going to build those coal to liquid plants without any easily accessible fuel to start with? Coal to liquid is from what I have heard, a very complex process. Hardly something for a society that needs to build itself from an iron age stage (assuming total collapse).
Anyway, it isn't even close to having the same input to output ration energywise as oil. And another question: Does it even offer the possibility of making fuel for aircrafts?
Please don't call what I say rubbish, I claim yours to be the same!
Torjus...look under your feet, its there, all you need do is work out how to use it.
And theres lots of it.
http://www.hessdalen.org/index_e.shtml
And theres lots of it.
http://www.hessdalen.org/index_e.shtml
Yup, I for one, do believe the thread starter.
It certainly is good copy for the newpapers and excellent "grab ,em by the ghoolies", shock them rigid before breakfast, TV headlines.
What I find hard to digest, is , why on earth should we feel suprised, by it ?
Just another example of reaping too much and sowing not at all.
Ceeg
It certainly is good copy for the newpapers and excellent "grab ,em by the ghoolies", shock them rigid before breakfast, TV headlines.
What I find hard to digest, is , why on earth should we feel suprised, by it ?
Just another example of reaping too much and sowing not at all.
Ceeg
Don't you think we have a bit of a self regulating system here. The Fish will not 'run out' It will become uncommercial to fish and then recover
Or am I dreaming?
Or am I dreaming?
Well, the Grand Banks fishery collapsed about 30 years ago, and is showing no signs of recovery so far...
I believe it was the advent of the modern factory fishing fleet that did it. Even 50 years ago, fishing was much less efficient and intensive than it is now.
I believe it was the advent of the modern factory fishing fleet that did it. Even 50 years ago, fishing was much less efficient and intensive than it is now.
Bent Stick. There is a point at which so much of the ecosystem is damaged that recovery cannot occur.
He fish stocks around Newfoundland have not recovered in 12 years. OK that is a very short time but I cannot see that a recovery will come anytime soon.
Sadly our government lacks a will to tackle difficult problems. One easy answer is to tax a few tourists and 4x4 owners rather than look at the complete economic model that says we need an ever expanding population to sustain our economy.
I stopped eating Cod a long time ago.
He fish stocks around Newfoundland have not recovered in 12 years. OK that is a very short time but I cannot see that a recovery will come anytime soon.
Sadly our government lacks a will to tackle difficult problems. One easy answer is to tax a few tourists and 4x4 owners rather than look at the complete economic model that says we need an ever expanding population to sustain our economy.
I stopped eating Cod a long time ago.
Tengu said:
hehe
Well, I don't think our technology ever will match that those aliens must have to do what they apperantly do. Unless they decide to grant us some of course...
I wrote about this a while back - QUOTE=falling rain]Did anyone see the news last night ? There was a small piece on our dwindling fish stocks. I think its fair to say weve known about this for years and its really about time something decisive was done.
I personally love sea fishing and I could happily eat fish every day I love it.
When I was a 10 year old back in 1974 75 I sat on Exmouth pier fishing at every available opportunity I would regularly catch 1 2lb Pollock from the pier. Nowadays youre lucky to catch one more than 6 inches in size. Weaver still seem to be in abundance though. Little ******s that they are. Ive also noticed generally when beach casting and boat fishing the big fish just arent there anymore. Have any other fishermen noticed this over the years ?
Catch Quotas are already in place but they dont seem to be saving the stocks.
I think there should be a European ban on Trawler fishing during the prime fish breeding seasons and each European country should pay Trawler men of their country whilst the seasonal ban is in place, or a massed European fund to ensure these men and their families are looked after while fishing is not allowed. Maybe a total ban for 2 or 3 years to allow stocks to recover. Also to be fair all rod and line fishing should also be banned. And believe me Id find that painful because I love sea fishing. What are your opinions ? Have you got an idea to save the fish stocks ? Nothing of course is as simple as we think and it would be huge undertaking to sort out all this, but something needs to be done and pretty soon or fish will be a rare luxury. £20 quid for a cod and chips !!!! or worse still the fish stocks will collapse completely Of course as Ive already said the Trawlermen must be looked after during non-fishing times. We owe it to nature, and we owe it to those to come. What do you think ?[/QUOTE]
I'm still scared we will lose our stocks forever although there does seem to be some initiative recently to have nursery areas and banned areas where fish are left in peace but there needs to be more done. I occasionally get a sea fishing magazine and some years ago the photos of people with their catch of a large specimen of a fish. Nowadays the photos are of people displaying considerably smaller specimens of fish. There WILL be a catastrophe unless there are some radical restrictions on trawler fishing.......and pretty soon too
I personally love sea fishing and I could happily eat fish every day I love it.
When I was a 10 year old back in 1974 75 I sat on Exmouth pier fishing at every available opportunity I would regularly catch 1 2lb Pollock from the pier. Nowadays youre lucky to catch one more than 6 inches in size. Weaver still seem to be in abundance though. Little ******s that they are. Ive also noticed generally when beach casting and boat fishing the big fish just arent there anymore. Have any other fishermen noticed this over the years ?
Catch Quotas are already in place but they dont seem to be saving the stocks.
I think there should be a European ban on Trawler fishing during the prime fish breeding seasons and each European country should pay Trawler men of their country whilst the seasonal ban is in place, or a massed European fund to ensure these men and their families are looked after while fishing is not allowed. Maybe a total ban for 2 or 3 years to allow stocks to recover. Also to be fair all rod and line fishing should also be banned. And believe me Id find that painful because I love sea fishing. What are your opinions ? Have you got an idea to save the fish stocks ? Nothing of course is as simple as we think and it would be huge undertaking to sort out all this, but something needs to be done and pretty soon or fish will be a rare luxury. £20 quid for a cod and chips !!!! or worse still the fish stocks will collapse completely Of course as Ive already said the Trawlermen must be looked after during non-fishing times. We owe it to nature, and we owe it to those to come. What do you think ?[/QUOTE]
I'm still scared we will lose our stocks forever although there does seem to be some initiative recently to have nursery areas and banned areas where fish are left in peace but there needs to be more done. I occasionally get a sea fishing magazine and some years ago the photos of people with their catch of a large specimen of a fish. Nowadays the photos are of people displaying considerably smaller specimens of fish. There WILL be a catastrophe unless there are some radical restrictions on trawler fishing.......and pretty soon too
