Forestry Commission scrap right to forage

[Shewie]

After nearly 800 years the right to forage for fuel on the woodland floor has been scrapped because ... yes you guessed it H&S.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...arta-right-to-collect-woods-from-forests.html


Your thoughts ?

 

[Garf]

I have been listening to the argument on Radio Two
this morning.
To put it down to Health and Safety is ridiculous.
I was in Delamere Forest yesterday with the wife, having a stroll
and if we weren't dodging dogs off leads it was mountain bikes
whizzing past.
All acceptable!!!!

 

[scanker]

I saw a link to this part of the HSE website the other day:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/

Some interesting stuff.

 

[Shewie]

I suppose another question is, will anybody take any notice ?

I can imagine it will be diffcult for those who currently buy a license and stock pile larger quantities, but what about those of us who ocassionaly forage for stoves or fires whilst kipping out.

 

[verloc]

without getting into a politics debate (wouldn't want to break the rules either)......

Sod them! - I am pig sick of basic age old rights (no matter how trivial they may seem) being taken away from me. The FC is publicly funded and I will continue to forage for woodfuel.

Let them stop me and I'll see them in court!

/end rant

 

[Tadpole]

We are not losing any age old rights we never had them, well not by the charter quoted in that paper
The Magna Carta does not mention the rights of the common man to collect firewood

The Charter of the Forest from 1217 (two years after the Magna Carta) does. But not every man has /had the right, only “freemen”. We are not nor would we be classed as freemen.

 

[a12jpm]

We are not losing any age old rights we never had them, well not by the charter quoted in that paper
The Magna Carta does not mention the rights of the common man to collect firewood

The Charter of the Forest from 1217 (two years after the Magna Carta) does. But not every man has /had the right, only “freemen”. We are not nor would we be classed as freemen.

Good knowledge tadpole.:notworthy

Out of interest what is a freeman?

 

[Shewie]

What/who is a freeman ?

 

[Shewie]

Good knowledge tadpole.:notworthy

Or good googling ?

 

[crazydave]

I'd like to classed as a fremen if anyone knows how to go about it? big knives and worm riding is right up my street - allthough the local worm variant does seem a little wimpy

this foraging business seems completely bonkers if its true - the US decided to stop allowing the forest to burn every few years which did little tree damage but cleared the brush of debris. now its had 50 odd years to build up into a decent amount we have the california forest fires which they cant put out. I can name a few UK forests which would have similar issues should the rain ever stop for for long enough to get a decent fire going.

they should have a department of common sense, a woman in tesco tripped slightly over a case of wine the other day in the isle by the tills and started to chunter about what happened to health and saftey till I said when I was a kid my mum would tell me to look where I was going. that shut her up

 

[verloc]

Either way well responded. im a man and im free (that went very John Inman there).

But in any case I've never been one to let the facts get in the way of a good rant so I shall pretend I have never seen tadpoles post

 

[Tadpole]

What/who is a freeman ?

Back then, it was someone who had completed his apprenticeship to another free man/woman or guild. A freeman was allowed to trade, and pay tax. He/she also had to defend the town or borough and pay for the up keep. They also had the right to vote, for their local Mayor and or Bailiffs, ok only the men had that right. You could be born a free man if your parents were members of a guild, or you could buy your freedom, if you had enough cash. (which could be as much as £20) you could become a freeman if you married the daughter or widow of a freeman

Or good googling ?

and what is wrong with Google?

Or actually reading Simon Sharma 'History of Britian' and of course the Michel Wood programme Christina: A Medieval Life.

 

[Shewie]

Collins dictionary describes a freeman as " not a slave or in bondage", no free wood for me then !

 

[spiritofold]

It wont stop me getting firewood, like to see em try.......

 

[woodstock]

What/who is a freeman ?

A freeman of a town or city was something granted to persons that had done a service for the town or city it was usually awarded to anyone completing a apprenticeship they were awarded the key to the town or city lots of people were also given the right to have their cattle graze common land

Or good googling ?

 

[Tripitaka]

Back then, it was someone who had completed his apprenticeship to another free man/woman or guild. A freeman was allowed to trade, and pay tax. He/she also had to defend the town or borough and pay for the up keep. They also had the right to vote, for their local Mayor and or Bailiffs...

I've completed an apprenticeship.
I'm allowed to trade - self-employed for 15 yrs
I pay tax - lots of it.
I'm prepared to defend the town - ask the chavs round our way! ;-)
I pay for the upkeep (through council tax)
I have the right to vote.

Does that make me a freeman then? Just curious.

 

[Graham_S]

I pay tax and served in the forces (defending the village so to speak).
I reckon I must be a freeman.
I'm off to the woods to get some kindling!

 

[Tadpole]

I've completed an apprenticeship.
I'm allowed to trade - self-employed for 15 yrs
I pay tax - lots of it.
I'm prepared to defend the town - ask the chavs round our way! ;-)
I pay for the upkeep (through council tax)
I have the right to vote.

Does that make me a freeman then? Just curious.

Not really the rights of freeman were abolished in 1835(ish)

 

[stevec]

health and safety what a pile of tosh

without google/hse website i seem to recall

Health and Safety at WORK act 1975 states......blah blah blah


work being the operative word

steve

 

[Wallenstein]

I saw a link to this part of the HSE website the other day:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/

Some interesting stuff.

Can you imagine if yer average daily mail reader looked at that site? It'd make their poor heads explode.

Next thing you'll be telling us that asylum seekers aren't using global warming to force down house prices.