Flint and steel tinder.

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I've been playing with spark fire starters for little over 4 years now. Ferro rods, Magnesium bars, and of course my favourite, the traditional flint and steel. With that method I've even made fire with just my knife and a hunk of quartz back in the brush.

Now in succesion with the flint and steel, there's another thought... what to use to catch the spark? And I'm not just talking about your regular tinder bundle made from shredded cedar bark or the like. I'm talking about what to use to catch that initial spark.

To the time of me writing this, I've used;

-Charcloth, by far the easiest for me

-True Tinder Fungus, took me 7 months to dry out a giant chunk of it, just to get the ability to catch the spark. Not my idea of easy fire starting in a survival situation!

-Char coal, Ground into a fine powder and made into a pile. I've thrown sparks into this with moderate success. It's basically charcloth but not as much of an easy air flow.

-The core of the Common Mullein stalk, char it like charcloth. Since it has alot of airflow, and is easily dried, it makes a great tinder. I haven't tried using really dried mullein stalk though, that's my next experiment

-Punk wood, dried, rotten wood. I've found this stuff in the middle of downpours in the northern woods, and it's still dry! Just find a rotten log (best to be off the ground), use your axe or knife to break through the outside and you'll get to the inside eventually.

My next experiments are;

-Dried, raw mullein core
-False tinder fungus.

Anyone else on here experiment with their flint and steel tinders?
 
Somewhere in the myriad of past posts there is a summary I provided on the use of natural tinders with flint and steel.

I would reccommend you give true tinder fungus a second try. It should only take a very short time to dry and I have been able to use some as it comes from the tree. In my opinion it is the best of the bunch. Should you have some extra that is unwanted, please feel free to send it my way.

Another very useful tinder for flint and steel is milkweed pod. You want the puffy structure that remains inside the pod after the fluff has flown. This works straight from the pod.
 
Jeff Wagner said:
I would reccommend you give true tinder fungus a second try. It should only take a very short time to dry and I have been able to use some as it comes from the tree. In my opinion it is the best of the bunch. Should you have some extra that is unwanted, please feel free to send it my way.

I agree it's great, I love it, and always have a chunk in my fire starting kit. But waiting for it to dry, when you're soaking wet and cold in a survival situation, is not my idea of a wise choice.
 
Jeff Wagner said:
Another very useful tinder for flint and steel is milkweed pod. You want the puffy structure that remains inside the pod after the fluff has flown. This works straight from the pod.

Very cool! I've had success with it when I used a Firesteel (Ferro Rod), so I'll add that to my list of experiments with the traditional flint and steel. :You_Rock_
 
Good to hear you experimenting. Here’s a few more for your list.

One that I have found to work very well is another part of mullein. It’s the feathery bark on the outside. Just carefully slice it from the stalk with your knife or sharp chip of flint. You can get enough from one plant to catch the spark & line your tinder bundle, work fast however. I also tried charred mullein pith and it does work well too, but you need a fire first of course. When you use raw mullein pith, it works best if you use thin cross slices, I’m talking paper thin! ( for those who don’t know already) Hold it close to the edge of your flint and with the flints edge up at a 45 or steeper ark your swing with the steel this puts the sparks on the top of the flint where your tinder is.

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When you get to using false tinder fungus, or amadou, you can make it infinitely more reliable by soaking it in salt peter and letting it dry, but this is a home project.

Milkweed pod ovum, as Jeff mentioned, is something we harvested from the field this year and got a paper lunch sack full of. If you find large plants/pods, you can make the ovum go farther by cutting it into smaller pieces just big enough to catch the spark and hold it to the tinder bundle.

I agree with you about true tinder fungus. Chaga does take time to dry. Cutting it into smaller pieces and slices will help that process. If in a survival situation and you find chaga, the best way to deal with it would be to wrap the chunk up in a shirt so as not to loose any of it and smash it with a rock. Breaking it into small pieces, find the softest bits and brake them down further to the size of a bean and half as thick , this will dry very quickly in the sun and wind or even in your pocket. You can also powder the chaga and throw sparks down from your flint and steel. Its not easy to find dry Chaga in most places but can be done, look on dead birch trees that are dry but not falling apart. Jeff is probably referring to the fire pistons natural ability to char, therefore dry, your Chaga for you before lighting it, I‘ve done this many times.

Darrel
 
In the same way that you make charcloth from cotton, all sorts of natural parts can be used. I experimented with the spore and trama layer of several fungi last week - just slice parts of it from the fungus and prepare it like you would do with charcloth. A small metal airgun pellet can with a tiny hole punched into it will quickly do the trick and is a nice portable solution for prepared tinder.

-Emile
 
I have tried the fluffy seedhead of clematis with a spark/ferro rod and that worked easily.

Matt
 
Here is my original posting on natural tinders.

...and, to clarify..Jeff was referring to tinder fungus with old fashioned flint and steel, not fire pistons.

Natural Tinders for Flint and Steel
Fire without Charcloth….

Jeff Wagner
Feb 2006

The use of charcloth in primitive fire starting represents something of a chicken and egg conundrum. In order to make charcloth, one first needs fire… and to make fire most primitive pyro’s use charcloth. So…where do you start and are there alterative ways to get a cook fire ablaze with flint and steel? You bet! Actually, the use of charred cloth is a relatively “modern” development and one that requires the availability of woven cotton fabric.

Cloth being a rather valuable commodity on the frontier, the Missus Long Hunters of yesterday took a rather dim view of “smoldering the family duds” just to make something that catches a spark. Thankfully, nature provides a number of tinders that will catch and propagate a spark from a flint striker - but they need to be handled a bit differently from the eyebrow singing whoosh of tow and charcloth. ( Note - There are natural tinders that perform after chemical alteration and special treatments, however to maintain the natural flavor of this article we will focus only on those requiring no special treatment other than drying. )

With charcloth, the fiber nest is blown into flame using the heat given off directly by the charcloth. Most of the natural tinders develop an outer layer of ash as they burn that insulates the fiber nest from the direct heat of the coal and inhibits direct ignition of the fibers – in other words…no flame. Natural tinders perform best when they are combined with a coal extender and natural fibers. ( Please note that while jute, hemp, sisal and other commercially available cordage fibers commonly used in primitive fire making are natural, they do not carry a coal well nor do they grow on the North American continent.) Coal extenders cause the tiny spark from the striker to grow and expand producing more heat and more heat until combustion temperature is reached. Common examples of coal extenders include certain types of fungi including hoof fungus ( Fomes Fomentarious ) True tinder fungus (Inonotus Obliquus) piths from weed stalks such as mullein, the shredded inner bark of trees such as cedar and plain ordinary punk or rotten wood. Punk, sometimes called “touch wood”, will propagate a coal as well as tinder fungus. Once the punk is touch by the glowing ember it will spread until the entire piece becomes a large smoldering coal that’s difficult to extinguish.







Natural tinders

Inonotus obliquus Fomes fomentarius




Mullein Milkweed pod





OK, so we’ve been out foraging and have our coal extender ready. Now what? We need something to take the place of the charcloth.

If you happen to live in an area within the range of white or yellow birch trees you will soon learn to appreciate the qualities of true tinder fungus ( Inonotus Obliquus ). It is an amazing natural tinder. Simply place a pea sized chunk on top the flint as you would charcloth and strike as you normally would. Putting the tinder on top on the flint is important. Many people make sparks by striking the steel with the flint and driving the sparks downward. This method work well with charcloth and powdered tinder ( something we’ll discuss later on ) however directing the sparks to land on and catch on a tiny piece of fungus can be quite frustrating. To overcome this, we place the fungus on top of the flint and strike the flint with the steel. This causes the sparks to fly up and forward, directly into the tinder fungus. The very short gap traveled by the spark enables it to land sooner and hotter, thereby increasing the chances of it catching in the tinder. Once the spark catches it will spread and consume the fungus so its important to quickly transfer the spreading coal to a larger piece of fungus or other coal extender.


Spark from steel has ignited Milkweed pod





Note - While tinder fungus will easily catch and propagate a spark and once ignited it is extremely difficult to extinguish. Just light a small piece and try stomping it out in your moccasins – the next camp over yonder will think you’re calling for rain….

Shredded cedar bark works extremely well with tinder fungus. Prior to lighting the fungus, take some strips of dry cedar bark and pound them with a rock or large tree limb. Pull out enough fiber to form a compact ball about an inch or two in diameter. Roll this between the palms briskly to separate the fibers then fluff slightly. Flatten the ball and fold in half to make a pocket. Now light the fungus tinder and place the coal into the pocket you made in the bark. Fold the nest around the ember and with your back to the wind, blow gently on the ember until the fiber nest begins to smoke heavily and starts to make a roaring sound. Be prepared when you hear this sound, as the nest will suddenly burst into flame. Usually three to four long sustained breaths is usually all it takes. Gently feed the flaming fiber nest with savings or dry twigs, gradually building up to larger pieces blowing as necessary to maintain flames.

Hint - To ignite flames, the fiber nest must be sufficiently compacted such that the fibers are in contact and able to propagate the ember. If too loosely packed the ember may die before achieving flames. The nest should still be loose enough however for air to circulate.

If natural fiber is not available in your area try wood punk. Dry punk from dead trees carries a coal very well. Three or four pieces of punk, placed in contact with one another, can be blown into flame all by themselves. If there is a slight breeze blowing, this method can be nearly self-igniting. Just expose the coal to the wind and let do the work. You can also place very fine wood shavings, twigs, birch bark or other combustible material on the punk to enhance the development of flames.

Another very effective natural material for catching a spark is milkweed pod – but not the whole outer pod. The part we want is the slender, puffy structure that remains in the pod after the down has dispersed. These are easy to find in the fall after the pods have opened and their seeds have scattered to the winds. Simply tear off one end to create a ragged edge and place this on the flint as you would charcloth. Once it catches, quickly transfer the spreading coal to your coal extender. You will have to act quickly as this one has a short burn time.

Next comes mullein pith. The trick to getting a spark to catch in this weed-stem pith is to slice it very thinly with a sharp knife. You want to present the finest, most delicate edge possible to the spark and you want a spark that clings and lingers just a bit on the edge of your flint. This allows for longer contact time with the mullein pith. When using more challenging tinders it is helpful to change our way of thinking from that of “catching a flying spark” to transferring the heat from a hot glowing shred of metal to the tinder by direct contact. When the spark catches, again use the tiny glowing coal to ignite a larger coal extender.

Lastly, ordinary wood punk or touch wood ( rotten, decaying wood ) provides an extremely useful natural tinder. While it is more difficult to use with flint and steel its abundance makes it worth the effort required in learning to using it successfully. Not only will it catch a spark but several chunks placed in direct contact with one another can be blown into flame without need for shredded bark or fiber. This can be extremely important to know in an area where suitable fiber is not available. Punk exists everywhere that trees grow and even in a rainstorm it is usually possible to obtain suitable punk from the interior of a standing dead tree trunk that has been sheltered from the elements.



You can follow the basic guidelines above placing the punk on top of the flint, however small pieces of punk tend to fragment easily. As an alternate approach, you can rub the punk between the palms, grinding it up into a fine powder. Do this over a large leaf so you can catch and later move the dust pile created. When using a tinder pile you reverse the set up and strike the steel with a downward blow from the flint driving the sparks down into the dust pile. Punk can be stubborn to catch and several strikes may be needed. Once a spark has caught, fan it gently with your hand to expand the coal. Blowing on it too hard may scatter the dust pile… and your coal. When the coal is burning well, scoop under it with the tip of a knife to lift it out of the dust pile and transfer it in your fiber bundle or punk.

Note: Save the remaining punk dust! A small metal tin makes a great place to store your remaining punk dust. And, if you allow do not remove all of the coal but allow it to propagate a bit in the dust, the charred dust will catch a spark much easier next time. Simply place the lid on the tin when its time to extinguish the smoldering punk.

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Natural flax fibres will catch a spark from a flint and flare. Really dry (difficult in the damp UK climate) outer bark fibres of mallow will do so too. Old, dried and broken Mallow and Greater Rosebay willowherb stems are called firecrackle, the loose fibrous outers catch the spark and the hollow stems draught the flames. The fine net like old covering of some garden bulbs will take a spark too, but they have to be really dry and charred. It's hard to better the beaten felty surface of boiled fungi though, especially if enriched with saltpetre.

Cheers,
Toddy
 
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