Fish Oil and Flour Bait,Any Good?

[21st century pict]

I was away on a fishing trip late last year with my buddy, after we started to run out of bait we split between one rod on worms and on the other we used a mixture of flour and the oil out of a tin of pilchards which was very handy to make and use however after the first day we caught no more fish on the worms or the flour mix. So I can’t really rule out the flour bait just yet. So here’s my question has anyone used and had any success using fish oil and flower for trout?

 

[santaman2000]

I've used similar "dough"aits for catfish. Works very well if you find the particular scent they're biting on that particular day. We usually mix the flour with blood. No idea about trout though.

 

[copper_head]

I suppose its where ground-bait and glug type 'method mix' used by course anglers evolved from.

 

[dave89]

thought ground bait was came from breadcrumbs? WD40 is rumoured to work also pepperarmis

 

[21st century pict]

thought ground bait was came from breadcrumbs?

Hi dave89
Flour and bread, it’s much the same recipe really but you never know perhaps there’s something in the yeast that the fish find attractive?
I bet a prawn baguette would work

 

[abominable_scouse_monster]

I was away on a fishing trip late last year with my buddy, after we started to run out of bait we split between one rod on worms and on the other we used a mixture of flour and the oil out of a tin of pilchards which was very handy to make and use however after the first day we caught no more fish on the worms or the flour mix. So I can’t really rule out the flour bait just yet. So here’s my question has anyone used and had any success using fish oil and flower for trout?

Yes I have and I am working on a commercial version at the moment.
The only issue is the scent tends not to last any ware near as long as natural bait without getting too much into what I have done flour, oil and water are not the only things needed to make it last and the secret ingredient is something you wont expect but if your interested I can elaborate a little in a PM.

 

[Teepee]

Yeast is attractive to fish, it contains flavour enhancers. Its also attractive because of the sugar, salt, protein in the flour and the small amount of opiates. WD40 does work I'm told, although I wouldn't want to chuck it in the water and so haven't ever used it to fish with. WD40 contains shark oil, hence the potential attractiveness to fish and the unique smell.

Fish like eating strange things-pigeon poo was the secret ingredient for lots of match fisherman

Trout pellets, obviously liked by trout, are basically dough baits with fish oil and fish meal thrown in. If people fish on the lake with pellets, or the trout have been stocked from a fish farm, they will be taken.

Trout are a visual predator and like movement to a bait, they also like bright colours and familiar shapes. I reckon a small red floating dought bait with some extra salt and some kind of fish oil in it may be a good place to start if you want to persevere with dough.

 

[21st century pict]

One thing is it was it was on a BIG loch with some 20Lbs+ brownes, I wasn’t bating the area like in coarse fishing I just pressed a bit of dough on the hook and replaced it every 2 or 3 casts, It was very nice stuff to work with certainly very clean .But I can only imagine what the extra ingredient or Ingredients are. Minced worms, certainly something stinky.

 

[abominable_scouse_monster]

Yeast is attractive to fish, it contains flavour enhancers. Its also attractive because of the sugar, salt, protein in the flour and the small amount of opiates. WD40 does work I'm told, although I wouldn't want to chuck it in the water and so haven't ever used it to fish with. WD40 contains shark oil, hence the potential attractiveness to fish and the unique smell.

Fish like eating strange things-pigeon poo was the secret ingredient for lots of match fisherman

Trout pellets, obviously liked by trout, are basically dough baits with fish oil and fish meal thrown in. If people fish on the lake with pellets, or the trout have been stocked from a fish farm, they will be taken.

Trout are a visual predator and like movement to a bait, they also like bright colours and familiar shapes. I reckon a small red floating dought bait with some extra salt and some kind of fish oil in it may be a good place to start if you want to persevere with dough.

WD40 can work but it's SERIOUSLY over rated. And only works for the Cod Family even then it's hit and miss well at least in my area and I have serious questions about it being used at all as that stuff has some nasty ingredients.

One thing is it was it was on a BIG loch with some 20Lbs+ brownes, I wasn’t bating the area like in coarse fishing I just pressed a bit of dough on the hook and replaced it every 2 or 3 casts, It was very nice stuff to work with certainly very clean .But I can only imagine what the extra ingredient or Ingredients are. Minced worms, certainly something stinky.

Oh yes that's part of it but the longevity is the key as I said the secret is somthing you wont crack without putting time in. And testing I can elaborate as I said but I wont do it publicly for obvious reasons.

 

[dump of the stig]

WD40 believe or not can be great for pike, the theory is when sprayed on a fish bait like mackerel
and herring, blues ect it breaks down the oil in the fish faster making it more attractive.
all the salmonidia family (trout ect) are happy to pick up a dead bait at some point
but if you use it on a lock with a dead fish bait a pike will snaffle it way before them im sure.
the WD40 dosnt work on its own as far as im aware but there is no reason it should,
if you want to make something along the lines of your flour and oil thing but is tougher
and will stay on the hook longer, leaking off attractants over a longer period
you cant go far wrong with good old bread paste, mix some halibut oil or blue cheese
or whatever you fancy in that, make a big ball and wrap it in cling film, sorted.
this is ages old I think even Isaac Walton mentions it in his book "The complete Angler" published in 1653.
and it still works as well today.
but to be honest I think smell is over rated, its water craft that matters, your talking about an animal
that can pick up a tiny trace of amino acid coming from a cadis fly lava under a rock 10yrds away.

ps if its a loch your on I promise you you will have a lot better hook up rate with a small mepps spinner.
if that soind too much like exercise lol, take off the treble hook, put a short bit of line say 2ins on that
a size 6 hook, bait that with a lob worm (garden worm) cast that out and every now and then lift the rod
and reel a bit (bumping it over the bottom) the trout will clock this, come and have a look, sense the worm
and whollop! if this don't work ill eat my hat :-D

 

[21st century pict]

Cheers Guys lots of good Info there.

Like I said some really big Trout in the loch and Pike to, so sometimes I just use a spinner as a combined bated hook, sink weight and metal trace to protect the line from Pike, and just cast it out and leave it on the bottom. Apart from the rod and reel all my hooks, sinkers, 3 or 4 spinners and some bright beads all fit into a box about the size of a fag packet and a old plastic pepper pot for a bait box to save weight and space in the pack, in the pack I usually carry some flour in my Billy can for flat breads and a tin of Mackerel, I actually don’t really mind the Pilchards but I just got them because I thought they would work better for some reason, I thought they would just be stinker somehow but I much prefer eating Mackerel.

So would the Olive oil out of a tin of Mackerel fillets work just as well?

The other thing I liked about the flour bait “apart from the fact that I already carry the ingredients’ is “ a lump about the size of to a tennis ball would last me a day and all night easy and then some. Plenty of time for me to get drunk fall in the loch and sober up.

Ps There are about 20 loch’s in Scotland with monsters in them and this loch has a monster called “Lizzie” As I said a big loch but not much deeper than around 45 -48 meters,( Loch Ness is 230 m and it's not even the deepest) so it could be quite cold down there, but have any of you guys heard of the Giant Ell’s in some of Scotland's loch's 4 Meter’s 12Ft. How would you even begin to jelly that?
With a JCB perhaps.

Cheers and all the best dudes, tight lines.

 

[dump of the stig]

yes mackerel will work just fine, better honestly with a bread paste, same thing just been processed and
will provide a tougher bait, tennis ball sorted. Tho please over look 2,3,4 gram mepps spinners at your peril.
worms are easily collected lake side under logs and rock, moss ect.
Think twice before you go for pike, despite there looks they are incredibly fragile fish and will die on you just like that.
they are vital for the lakes eco system, and are highly valued for this alone, they insure good quality trout and you wont
win many angling buddys by killing one these days (there are still some fools that think pike should be killed but thankfully
this group of cavemen are a dieing breed)
for pike these things are mandatory, un-hooking mat, wire trace, artery forceps, wire cutters/pliers
and most importantly you need to understand how to handle them correctly ensuring neither you or the fish is hurt.
you get a big one and she will be (all the big ones are hens) the apex predator in that area of lake, and if you understand
eco systems (which im sure you do) you will understand her importance in that environment.
oh if you fancy a go at "lizzy" try a bit of raw liver on a size 2 hook baited with chicken liver (wrap this on the hook with elastic)
and leave that out over night ;-)

 

[21st century pict]

Pike is the last thing I want to catch, although I do quite fancy the fight.
Funnily enough Pike is not really a very popular fish in Scotland, its more game fishing up here but some of my pals like fishing for them at night, I have never caught a Pike in my life, as for the Trout I only take the fish that get badly damaged by the hook, if the hook comes out easy with no real damage to the fish I will just return it, generally I only fish to eat,or rather eat the fish I catch, and I would have to be pretty desperate to eat Pike. As I said it just hasn’t got a good reputation up here.
But don’t worry Bro I have no intention of hurting any Pike if I can help it.
Good news about the Mackerel though Stig, Sardines always give me indigestion.


PS I'm scared o Lizzie.

 

[santaman2000]

yes mackerel will work just fine, better honestly with a bread paste, same thing just been processed and
will provide a tougher bait, tennis ball sorted. Tho please over look 2,3,4 gram mepps spinners at your peril.
worms are easily collected lake side under logs and rock, moss ect.
Think twice before you go for pike, despite there looks they are incredibly fragile fish and will die on you just like that.
they are vital for the lakes eco system, and are highly valued for this alone, they insure good quality trout and you wont
win many angling buddys by killing one these days (there are still some fools that think pike should be killed but thankfully
this group of cavemen are a dieing breed)
for pike these things are mandatory, un-hooking mat, wire trace, artery forceps, wire cutters/pliers
and most importantly you need to understand how to handle them correctly ensuring neither you or the fish is hurt.
you get a big one and she will be (all the big ones are hens) the apex predator in that area of lake, and if you understand
eco systems (which im sure you do) you will understand her importance in that environment.
oh if you fancy a go at "lizzy" try a bit of raw liver on a size 2 hook baited with chicken liver (wrap this on the hook with elastic)
and leave that out over night ;-)

Can I take it from your post that Pike are endangered there? We don't have them at all in the southern US (never had as it's the wrong climate) but I believe they're still plentiful and fished for food up North.

 

[21st century pict]

if you fancy a go at "lizzy"

Me big sissy caveman afraid of monster.

 

[Kepis]

Can I take it from your post that Pike are endangered there?

Quite the opposite, im involved with a cull of Pike on a lake soon as there are too many of them, apart from the fact they were illegally stocked and have destroyed the eco system in the lake.

 

[santaman2000]

Thanks Kepis.

 

[dump of the stig]

Quite the opposite, im involved with a cull of Pike on a lake soon as there are too many of them, apart from the fact they were illegally stocked and have destroyed the eco system in the lake.

yup that happens too im afraid, these are generaly small lakes designed for match or carp anglers where its an artificial
eco system to some degree, but not in the large expance of lochs where they are predominantly classed as trout fisheries.
it is these places you will find some real monsters too, and yes they play a vital roll in the quality of the game fish.
and a very high value fish in regards to the eco system, unfortunately southern Island are only just working this out and the pike
population has all ready been decimated, due to Europeans filling up freezers and the pike being classed as a villainous destructive fish.
be interested in the cull kepis, what is it a glut of jacks? how did that come about you think?
I thought that could only come about with a big glut of say roach fry. In which case its self balancing with the pike
picking up the weak rubbish fish letting the fit and healthy grow.
I remember you saying you had done some training in the fishery game so would be very interested mate.

 

[dump of the stig]

Me big sissy caveman afraid of monster.

haha yeah I am a bit too, I like eels, that is one fish that needs looking after big time and is in real trouble
in this country. Bit of a weird one that, some Asian eels escaped (billings gate they think) and got into the water
system, these eels carried a parasite (or disease cant remember which) that cross infected to our eels.
This lets say parasite attacks the swim bladder. So the eel heads off to the Sarggaso sea in the middle of the
Atlantic too breed, gets there duz its business but cant get back and neither can the fry, because there swim
bladder is screwed and they cant get over a huge under water cliff face that runs nearly the length of that area.
That's a common theory to the sharp and sudden decline in the freshwater eels in this country (maybe Europe too)

 

[santaman2000]

i have to correct myself. We DO have Pike (American Chain Pickerel) down here. But they're not as common as up North. I was confusing them with Muskellunge (which are also a species of Pike)