You expressed your view as an ubiquitous fact. Which is bullshit. Have you even tried any other?
Eydon Model DS Storm Kettle
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When I was experimenting with prototypes for the Kelly Hobo (and nagging Patrick Kelly to get something into production) he sent me a stainless steel base just because if I was going to cook rather than a ten minute boil, then I’d warp it even melt an aluminium fire base.
I have no connection with the Kelly Kettle company other than correspondence and something of an enthusiasm for their product.
Yes it’s made in China.
How many of you shop with Temu, Alibaba/Aliexpress, J D Sports, Shein, Gearbest, etc.etc.etc.
I have no connection with the Kelly Kettle company other than correspondence and something of an enthusiasm for their product.
Yes it’s made in China.
How many of you shop with Temu, Alibaba/Aliexpress, J D Sports, Shein, Gearbest, etc.etc.etc.
I do not shop with those. The last ten years or so I'm trying to vote more and more with my wallet. At least I will die knowing that I did what I could and that my consumption treated people as I wanna be treated. Each one to their own.
I've also finished my business with meta, twitter (long time ago tho), spotify, amazon and companies who are still active in orc-russia. Is my life emptier because of those decisions? Not really.
I suspect a lot of firms reluctantly decided to move manufacturing to China in order to remain in business. Unless a government protects it's manufacturing and sales industries from lower priced imports, it is very difficult for a company to maintain sales for a broadly equivalent product at a higher price. Conversely over-protectionism creates it's own problems. (E.G EU farming subsidies etc.)
I'm very surprised the market hasn't been flooded with a half-price version marketed straight from China. Only a matter of time...
Another vote here for the Petromax, a proper screw on lid so you can carry water is a huge benefit. If you can't be trusted not to leave it in and blow yourself up, you can always leave the bung at home.
Petromax sell on a brand,pelam.de are vile to deal with in my experience and Chinese tat.
Buy something made in England from people passionate about them.
Eydon or Ghillie
Buy something made in England from people passionate about them.
Eydon or Ghillie
Boycotting China is impossible these days. What device are you reading this message on? Where did its components come from?
Where did the plastics and fabrics that make your tents and jackets come from? Do you know?"
I do not know origin of the metals or metal ores used to make the things that I buy. Polymers are produced all over the world and even if I knew that, I am unlikely to know where the oil or the monomers come from. Where do Mors source their plastics? I certainly don’t know.
How many of you use Italian made tomato purée?
etc. etc. etc.
The chimney flu kettle is a brilliant design . It has several origins quite independent of each other.
If you are passionate about the source of this one particular product then that is how it is.
If you are seriously concerned then you are going to have to balance:
Carbon footprint, and product kilometres.
Resource depletion,
Pollution,
The health and well-being of those along the line of manufacture.
The effect of boycott on low wage earners in the source country.
Waste disposal and recyclability (as well as actual probability of product and packaging being recycled even if it is possible.
Pressure on a tiny sector of the leisure industry might make someone feel better about themselves but that persons global impact is unlikely to shift significantly.
Where did the plastics and fabrics that make your tents and jackets come from? Do you know?"
I do not know origin of the metals or metal ores used to make the things that I buy. Polymers are produced all over the world and even if I knew that, I am unlikely to know where the oil or the monomers come from. Where do Mors source their plastics? I certainly don’t know.
How many of you use Italian made tomato purée?
etc. etc. etc.
The chimney flu kettle is a brilliant design . It has several origins quite independent of each other.
If you are passionate about the source of this one particular product then that is how it is.
If you are seriously concerned then you are going to have to balance:
Carbon footprint, and product kilometres.
Resource depletion,
Pollution,
The health and well-being of those along the line of manufacture.
The effect of boycott on low wage earners in the source country.
Waste disposal and recyclability (as well as actual probability of product and packaging being recycled even if it is possible.
Pressure on a tiny sector of the leisure industry might make someone feel better about themselves but that persons global impact is unlikely to shift significantly.
Nah mate, we have a lot better health and environmental policies in Europe. Everything else similar european production is cleaner as well as not affecting trade defencies to China.
My phone is probably chinese, it's about six years old. I got it from work. I will probably get a new one in maybe three years if I keep this working. So at least better than buying new technology every year. And I don't really said I was going for total boycot, did I? I try to make as good choices as I can. Your reasoning sounds really apolagetic to me, like thinkkng that if a single persons choice doesn't significantly changes anything than we can't change anything. If you don't have any spine that's okay, not all people have morals.
I know where the fabric in my jacket comes from it was either from schoeller or millerain. I sewed them myself. My current tent was made by hilleberg so yeah, that was woven and sewn in the baltics. I own part of a company in the textile industry (and do some production managing), that company is GOTS and IVN BEST certified, my farm was certified organic when I ran it more commercially so don't you dare to try to teach me about carbon foot print, biological diversity and microplastics.
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My understanding is that the primary benefit of hard anodising is that there will not be any aluminium 'leaching'* into the water and thus into your body while you enjoy your brew, or indeed tainting the taste with metallic elements.
This is another benefit to stainless steel construction.
I have two different sizes of Ghillie kettles, both bare aluminium. I'd be tempted to change them out for SS, and if I ever have to replace them I probably will, but for now I'll use what I have. I haven't noticed any issues so far.
I do prefer SS for water bottles though for sure.
* Not the correct term but you get the picture.
I’m not sure that the view of aluminium as a health hazard is still upheld but there is no harm in playing safe.
For me the steel Kelly Kettle gives you a few more seconds to save it should it boil dry. My three pint Kelly is an old aluminium one that won’t wear out. It’s sitting in a steel base. It would be destroyed before it boiled completely dry.
On the other hand it boils so fast that I very rarely leave it. Once I’m preparing a meal I’m sitting in a stool and will be there till I’ve eaten. By the time I’ve got coffee into the Xylis it’s already singing.
For me the steel Kelly Kettle gives you a few more seconds to save it should it boil dry. My three pint Kelly is an old aluminium one that won’t wear out. It’s sitting in a steel base. It would be destroyed before it boiled completely dry.
On the other hand it boils so fast that I very rarely leave it. Once I’m preparing a meal I’m sitting in a stool and will be there till I’ve eaten. By the time I’ve got coffee into the Xylis it’s already singing.
Pelam.de are like the mafia, I bought a lantern marked as safe for petrol and got trading standards to remove it from conrad electronic store online. They are pedalling Chinese items as made in Germany at the time and all they did was finish them by boxing etc.
One of their flying monkeys tried to warn me off and I do not get threatened by anyone
, I was quite happy to go to court with trading standards on my side.
German army marked petromax as not safe for petrol in 1960's
Give your money to Eydon or Ghillie kettles, not Kelly who are made abroad to my knowledge or worse petromax Chinese tat
I don't think you really believe this... I think you believe that you should do all you can to reduce carbon footprint, product kms, rampant consumerism etc. I know I am projecting on you here but I don't think you'd be here if you believed otherwise.
I think (and I think you do to) that everyone has a part to play in reducing their impact on this earth no matter how small.
I have never used "Temu, Alibaba/Aliexpress, J D Sports, Shein, Gearbest, etc.etc.etc" well maybe JD sports...
and I'll try and buy as local as possible but 100% wont be perfect about this. I am more worried about the employment, environmental and regulatory compliance aspects that china pretty much ignore. I worked in the computer industry and our Supplier Eng folks have seen things that are simply downright illegal both here and in China. Leaching is minimal in Aluminium unless the water is pretty acidic and in there for a long time. Al oxidises and forms a protective albeit porous coating. As Pattree also mentions the health impact of Al is largely debunked but probably not zero.
In an ideal world, you'd make your own stainless kettle but this is not an ideal world so you should reduce the miles and compromise on the materials and area of manufacture based on your budget and personal ideals.
…….. in fact all I said was that attempting to botcott a source was only one tiny element in a wide web of considerations that surrounded a purchase.
If politics is a persons primary consideration then national origins will take priority. The other points that I listed may take precedence for other people with different global, national or local priorities.
My observation at #31 referred to the whole range of global effects that one might need to consider along with human rights and politics. The point was the need to find a personal balance between all the factors.
#31 also referred to the impossibility of boycotting any nation’s output. Italian tomatoes purée probably made with Chinese tomatoes being a case in point.
The Kelly Kettle and its cousins from all over the world burns only a tiny fraction of the fuel that would be consumed by an open fire doing the same job. It releases an equivalently small quantity of flu gas. It lasts for a very long time; many not needing replacement in a lifetime.
The OP refers to preference.
If politics is a persons primary consideration then national origins will take priority. The other points that I listed may take precedence for other people with different global, national or local priorities.
My observation at #31 referred to the whole range of global effects that one might need to consider along with human rights and politics. The point was the need to find a personal balance between all the factors.
#31 also referred to the impossibility of boycotting any nation’s output. Italian tomatoes purée probably made with Chinese tomatoes being a case in point.
The Kelly Kettle and its cousins from all over the world burns only a tiny fraction of the fuel that would be consumed by an open fire doing the same job. It releases an equivalently small quantity of flu gas. It lasts for a very long time; many not needing replacement in a lifetime.
The OP refers to preference.
I try to stick to the mantra of ‘if we all do it imperfectly it’s better than none doing it at all’
Which is why I try to buy ethically and locally (not necessarily mutual!), try to repair and buy secondhand where I can. It isn’t possible 100% of the time but I go on the basis that if I am trying in 60% of the then that’s better than not at all.
Leathercraft for instance, I can get cheaper leather and tools overseas but tend to use UK based (one local) family-owned businesses rather than just ordering from Amazon etc. I have found that the product is the same but the service e is way better in the form of advice, test samples and suggestions so tend to be a repeat customer!
Which is why I try to buy ethically and locally (not necessarily mutual!), try to repair and buy secondhand where I can. It isn’t possible 100% of the time but I go on the basis that if I am trying in 60% of the then that’s better than not at all.
Leathercraft for instance, I can get cheaper leather and tools overseas but tend to use UK based (one local) family-owned businesses rather than just ordering from Amazon etc. I have found that the product is the same but the service e is way better in the form of advice, test samples and suggestions so tend to be a repeat customer!
