Extreme tube tinder - fast, small, efficient - party fun!

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rich59

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In my explorations of tube tinder I decided to find out how small I could go. Having started out with kitchen roll tubes I progessed to toilet rolls, then to smaller paper tubes - stuffed with shredded leaves and twigs and with a powdery coal extender. Some of these were successful, and I noticed that very often the tube itself got involved in the burning early on. I then had the idea of going for the ultimate - a tube so small that only the coal would fit in it, no thicker than my little finger. I tried rolls of paper of different thicknesses. To my absolute amazement some of these would ignite, and quickly. Wow. I found that newspaper thickness was about ideal. Then I moved to birch bark and bark from the paper bark maple. These also worked. Finally I moved to single leaves and these often worked too.

So here is the description of the "cigar" or "match" tinder:-

Materials -
One leaf (e.g. sycamore )
one piece of char cloth - about 3x3cm before folding.

Construction -
Take one dry leaf - but still flexible. A sycamore leaf seems pretty ideal. Remove stalk. Decide which is the straightest edge. The opposite edge shred a little and crumple. The aim of this is two fold - to form at least a partial tinder in the tube when rolled, and also to form an obstruction to the coal blowing out through the bottom end of the tube. (I haven't yet experimented with not shredding.) Then roll into a tube about 1 - 1.5 cm diameter. Tear or cut off one end if it is ragged to make a fairly square end. Wedge a tightly folded piece fo charcloth into one end so it seems secure when blown into. (Or you could insert the char cloth after ignition). Unfortunately coals from bow/ hand drills don't seem to work if substituted for the charcloth as the intense blowing needed causes them to disintegrate.

Operation:-
ignite char cloth and make sure placed tightly into end of tube. Blow intensely into the tube directly at the char cloth twice. The first blow spreads the red glow to all of the charcloth. The second turns it white hot and on stopping the tube itself bursts into flame.

Properties:-
Tiny, easy and quick to construct, virtually smokeless as it goes almost immediately from a coal (smokeless) to flame.
Speed is amazing. Just two blows usually. Probably less than 10 seconds.
Excellent as a party trick, or even to light your cooking gas .
 
I copy the bowdrill embers are too weak to be used here.

Haven't tried with charcloth yet, but will! Thats for sure.

Thanks for the thread!

Bob
 
Of course, you could transfer your bowdrill coal to another material as a coal extender... Fomes or polyphore should do the job nicely.
 
This thread reminded me of how my granny (God bless her and all who sail in her) used to light her coal fire.

She’d take two sheets from a broadsheet news paper and roll them, across their diagonal, to form two tubes, about 3’ long x 1.5” in diameter.

These would then be flattened and then platted together to form a kind of helix concertina – sounds difficult but it’s one of things that’s tricky to describe but a doddle to do. These things light with a match but burn like a log and are really therapeutic to make.

I’ll knock one up if anyone wants to see one.

AJB
 
Heres a description of what I think AJB is on about,
Take your roll of newspaper and fold it into a wide "V" shape. If you arrange one end pointing up and the other to your right, fold the top one down the the right one to the left. Then take the bottom one to the top and the left one to the right - repeat until all the paper is used up.

Spikey,
Tell me that you use the fireplace as it should be used during the winter - I think its such a shame to see them as nothing but ornaments and curiosities of a bygone age. We've got two open fireplaces downstairs, two upstairs and a range in the kitchen - we don't have them all going at once but there really is nothing like a real fire.

If anyone has a real fire and small children, listen up. On Christmas Eve have a good fire going but tell the kids that you'll make sure its very low for Santa. When they've gone to bed, get an old pair of boots and rub them in the ash. A few strategic footprints across the carpet (lets face it its not difficult to clean up) and you can "proove" that he's been during the night. ;)

ATB

Ogri the trog
 
Hey Ogri !!

Was good to meet ya at the moot, sorry it was abit brief !!

I used to have a real coal fire, when i had my house, loved it to bits :)

The place where i am now, i rent a room, so its up to the landlord really, but with the central heating, i dont think je's gonna bother :(

Not unless we have a power cut that is, than i WILL be ligjting it ;)

Cheers for the info :)
 
No worries Buddy,
The last night got a bit frantic for us as well, juggling SWMBO, small children, and the need for beer. I'm sure we'll catch up at some point.
I hope the bike proves to be a cheap fix, I've kept an old Triumph, Guzzi and a Harley running in the past so I know about expense when it comes to bikes.

TB

Ogri the trog
 
tried newspaper with charcloth yesterday.
That is a really effective way to get flame!

Got 4 times flames after 4 attempts, and only burnt my fingers onces, when I blew the charcloth ember into the tube upto where my fingers were holding the tube :eek: :D

Cheers rich59!

Bob
 
HI Spikey,

Sorry, I didn’t get chance to take the pictures this weekend, I’ll do my best to get around to it. Ogri’s description is not “what I’m on about”, he uses one piece of paper I used two, but the principal is the same.

AJB
 
I have worked out a variation of this that will work with a bow or hand drill coal. The key is to have a few more layers of paper or leaf in the roll. Then, when you have inserted the delicate coal in the end of the tube just blow gently until the glow carbinises the tube and then transfers into it. Once the glow is stable in the thicker tube layers then it is an easy job to blow it into fire. If the flame goes out you can re-ignite it by blowing again.
 

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