Depressing.

[Jimmy Blake]

I live in Dorset and our beaches are covered in hundreds disposable barbecues, broken glass and litter every single evening during the summer. It's amazing that people will travel somewhere nice to enjoy it, only to then turn it into a s*$^hole.

Have to take you up on your definition of a wildcamper in the original post, #1 rule of wild camping is "leave no trace". Real wild campers pitch where their tent won't impede someone else's view and they travel light as they're typically walking quite a distance to camp for the night. Someone bringing everything including the kitchen sink in a vehicle and walking 200 metres to pitch up really isn't "wild" camping, it's camping. The trouble is that it is idiots like this that'll cause an overreaction that will impact those of us who do wild camp with respect for the environment and others.

 

[Robson Valley]

It shouldn't make any difference where you camp or what you choose to take with you. Don't leave anything behind at any time.
I'm afraid that many people are so accustomed to seeing litter and trash, they don't know what 'clean' looks like.
Just today, I read a short BBC news report in which vendors are now asked NOT to advertise some tents as "single-use."
What hope have you got left?

Many wonderful wilderness hunting campsites along our mountain logging roads.
Us locals go home and sleep in our own beds each freezing night.

I've been through many of those campsites in the days after the hunting parties have left.
There isn't a damn thing but bent blades of grass. Amazing.

 

[GuestD]

they don't know what 'clean' looks like.

Gather the rubbish and dump it inside their house, they'll know what clean looked like then.

 

[Robson Valley]

I believe that it takes a different strategy to get a better result. Make an attractive place (or places) for dumping trash.
Make it convenient and very low cost or free. At the end of the day, that's cheaper than hiring staff.

It's a tricky technical issue for us here, from spring into the late fall.
Our bears can and will wreck almost any garbage bin ever built.
A bear-proof garbage can is a bunker of an affair.
Travel trailers and light aircraft are no defense against hungry bears.

 

[Janne]

Those idiots will not drive an extra meter to dump the trash responsibly.
Most urban areas have reclamation yards in UK

 

[Toddy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48198098

 

[santaman2000]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48198098

A lot of states have a similar plan for glass and plastic bottles. Usually 5 cents. I expect 20p will be more effective.

 

[Toddy]

There was talk of 10 or 15p but I think the ScotGov decided to make it potentially worthwhile.
Five and that's a pound. A pound's worth bribing a kid to take the bottles back and it's worth the litter pickers while too.

M

 

[Janne]

In Scandinavia it is now between 1 krona and 5 kronas.
When I was young the glass bottle return was 0.05 krona (5 öre) and up.

A summers bottle collecting bought me a fishing reel, an Ambassadeur 5000, which I still have, 48 years later.

Yes, the Scottish kids will love it!

 

[santaman2000]

There was talk of 10 or 15p but I think the ScotGov decided to make it potentially worthwhile.
Five and that's a pound. A pound's worth bribing a kid to take the bottles back and it's worth the litter pickers while too.

M

Back before I enlisted soft drink bottles were still collected, cleaned, and reused but the bottling plants. The normal deposit back then was 2 cents per bottle. (Allow for inflation and that’s probably about 20 cents now) we’d collect them until we had enough to trade for a cold Coke (5 bottles would = the price when I was about 12 years old)

 

[Janne]

Then you guys joined WW1 ( when it was already won...) and started throwing those bottles away?

 

[Robson Valley]

People all across western Canada always threw those 2-cent bottles away.
At the same time, there were full time ditch scroungers who walked miles and miles
to collect those bottles. The money really added up after a couple of months, being your own boss.

20p is quite an incentive! I like that. Hoarding cans will have been better than the bank!

My picture in post #42? There's an October line of beer and pop cans on each side of that road.
They are worth 5 cents each. There's a trapper lives up that road.
We all know that he cleans up that road quite carefully for some 40km.
I'll guess that he picks maybe 3+ big black bin bags of cans every autumn.
So for him, 5 cents is an incentive. Going to see some piracy at 20p/can.

 

[Janne]

Our Alcoholics ('drunks') are mainly drinking in parks, and never return the empties ( bottles or cans) so we used to go to these places after work and collect. The drunks were usually comatose by that time, and quite often still had 'drink' left in the bottle beside them, for another slurp when they woke up.
We did take and empty them too... ( on the grass)
In my days these was no return fee for cans, now it is, so even better pickings for the youth!

In Norway, we collect all 'returnables' and give to kids. They come to the house and ask for them.

Besides working in the local fish factory and cutting Cod Tongues during the short Screi Cod season, there are no other ways they can make some pocket money.

 

[santaman2000]

Then you guys joined WW1 ( when it was already won...) and started throwing those bottles away?

Actually I’m talking about the 1960s and 70s.

 

[Janne]

I know, I joked and pulled your leg.....
We are virtually the same perfect age.