Damp tinder for fire - YES!

Roving Rich

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The man himself in action :

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Thanks for a briliant demo Rich. I was really chuffed to have made a hand drill fire (much to Eds disgust :D )

Your a star

Cheers
Rich

PS -I have L-bow drill photos too if you need them - PM me your Email addy if required
 

jdlenton

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Fenlander said:
This would be a good piece to go in the articles section Rich ;)

Or in the mag................It would make a brilliant article and a very useful set of pocket field instructions
 
Having seen this demo'd by the master himself (cheers Rich) I decided to give it a through test this morning. A concern in the back of my mind was supposing you find youself in a coniferous woodland (no leafy material available) could this method still work? So this morning in heavy rain, I ventured into a local conifer plantation. I will post pictures and a description of my method here this evening :cool:

In the plantation it was too dull and wet to take pictures so i tried it there and then brought back identical materials undercover for the tutorial.

Materials used:

a piece of birch bark
a piece of charcloth
a handful sized bundle of wet twigs
"gold dust" obtained by buffing wet twig bundle

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As there was no convenient log or stump as a platform, I began by gathering birch bark from a fallen tree near the plantation. I then went into the conifer plantation and gathered a handful sized bundle of small twigs from the ground.

I buffed these twigs over the birch bark to obtain "gold dust" (this must have been fine bark from the twigs).

I then placed the twig bundle onto the birch bark and folded the bark over the twigs as a roof.

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I pushed my finger into the front of the bundle to form a tunnel and placed the "gold dust" into this hole. I ignited a piece of charcloth with flint and steel and placed this into the "gold dust"

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I compressed the bundle and gently began to blow. After about two minutes there was a large area of glowing material and lots of smoke

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After another minute of gentle blowing the bundle burst into flame.

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Great idea Rich! :You_Rock_
 
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scanker said:
jdlenton
Moderator Extraordinaire!

What's that about then?

:offtopic: It was something i got called by Ed at the moot on more than 1 occasion so i didn't think of it it was a given name as a mod i do have the power to change my user type and i've been thinking it might be fun to change my title for a while and "Moderator Extraordinaire!" beats "slasher" anyday
 

scanker

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I see. I'd forgotten about "The Black Moderator" and thought it was something someone else had changed.

*offtopic - trying to put faces to names* Was it you making a barbed atalatl tip from antler?
 

jdlenton

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that will be me and the guy with the hat who was one of the instructor of the leather work workshops nice to chat and all but pm me any more questions and lets get this thread back on topic:)
 

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The other question I had Rich was the leaf match.
I saw you do it butdidn't understand the ripping part at the beginning.
Can you go over that again please?

Cheers

Mark
 

g4ghb

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This seems VERY cool (or hot depending on your skill :p ) - I will be trying this the next time i'm out!


I don't suppose anyone videoed the whole demo did they?
 

rich59

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If you check back on the thread you will see Fenlander's efforts recorded. That is well learned Fenlander! I had little doubt you would succeed. Well done and well photographed.

I guess a closely cropped grassland could provide animal dung that would do just as well?

As to the "match" or "cigar" tinder I think that needs a separate thread and maybe another tutorial? In fact I see a number of threads looming all based on my experiments with variations on "tube tinder".

Enjoy.
 

BobFromHolland

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Rich59, :notworthy

:You_Rock_

You have just been promoted to the no. 1 place in my fire guru list!
You just don't stop amazing me.

This is another VERY interesting addition to fire lighting pleasure.

I will sure be working on mastering this technique.

Thanks, and keep up the good work and brililant posts!


Fenlander, thanks for the great pics! A picture speeks a thousand words, doesn't it?

Man am I glad that I've found this FANTASTIC forum!! :D
Bob
 

BobFromHolland

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Had one leaf-crumble in folded cardbox success with a bow-drill ember.
great stuff!!

But just failed between two (now badly scorched) pine boards. Didn't really fail the technique, but didn't have sufficient amount of tinder...

One part of success seems to be the amount of tinder.
 

falling rain

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Nice one Rich. That makes sense even though I wasn't at the moot. I'll give that a try too. I've successfully lit wet clematis bark a few times by buffing it up vigorously for several minutes which seems to dry it out enough to take the ember. You must buff for a fair amount of time though. By the same method a clematis bundle will light from a good shower of sparks too. Will definately be giving your method a go.
 

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BobFromHolland said:
But just failed between two (now badly scorched) pine boards. Didn't really fail the technique, but didn't have sufficient amount of tinder...

One part of success seems to be the amount of tinder.
Well noted. It is a good idea to have a spare pile of tinder next to you, so that if you seem to be running out of fuel you can always add another hand full. But generally the more damp the materials the bigger the pile I collect
 

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