Community Garden Vandalism
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Agincourt
The french knights let it be known any peasant English longbow man
Captured would have his hands cut off. flights of arrows ( and mud and a geographical funnel unseen from their position) broke the French charge.
At this point, the English archers stepped forward en mass and raised their ‘flucking’ or old English pronunciation for PLUCKING fingers in the air, giving birth to a universal symbol of defiance.
The french knights let it be known any peasant English longbow man
Captured would have his hands cut off. flights of arrows ( and mud and a geographical funnel unseen from their position) broke the French charge.
At this point, the English archers stepped forward en mass and raised their ‘flucking’ or old English pronunciation for PLUCKING fingers in the air, giving birth to a universal symbol of defiance.
How does a rabbi and agincourt relate to garden vandalism? I'm confusdiddlycated.
Mankind ( the old Germanic meaning and not sexist) has
A history of destroying people
Who share good news, bread
and fish or garden produce. I
Used a American expletive in ironic
Frustration seeing it again ( obviously semi censored) I had to clarify the linguistic history of the F word. Think of it as the marvelous old CONNECTIONS series hosted by Lewis Carrol
A history of destroying people
Who share good news, bread
and fish or garden produce. I
Used a American expletive in ironic
Frustration seeing it again ( obviously semi censored) I had to clarify the linguistic history of the F word. Think of it as the marvelous old CONNECTIONS series hosted by Lewis Carrol
Please don't take this as a dig but can I ask is English your first Language ? Were you born a native speaker ?
BTW I thought in was the two plucking fingers removed not the whole hand, hence the raising of the middle and index fingers only. To me that makes more senseto the two fingered salute than cutting the whole hand off.
It still amuses me when I see non- English origin or native speakers, Internet social media posers use the two fingered gesture showing the back of the hand not the palm in a media pose. Are they really telling their followers to fo?
It still amuses me when I see non- English origin or native speakers, Internet social media posers use the two fingered gesture showing the back of the hand not the palm in a media pose. Are they really telling their followers to fo?
Usually, no. That gesture just doesn’t have the same connotation for them. Either it means the number 2 or it is meant to be a victory sign (or rather ”I’m cool and acting up for the camera”) and they just don’t see any difference between palm-out and palm-in.
That's what I mean, they are only aware of their understanding or meaning. That's OK but would they use it if they knew the "original" meaning?
I think it's now the style like the "coolkids" flashing gang hand gestures without knowing them or understanding the meaning.
Probably not for the V-sign, although if used to mean ”2” then if that’s normal where they are then of course they’ll still use it.
Also, knowing that something is rude and feeling that something is rude are two different things, which is why so many non-English speakers quite happily use rather coarse English swear words even if they would shy away from using their native language’s equivalent.
I stand to be corrected, but I'm pretty sure the 'two finger salute' originating from the French habit of cutting off the fingers of the English archers is a myth.
That story first circulated some time in the 70s with the growth of re-enactors. But there's no historical basis for it.
The gesture itself is centuries old but the story of its origin is unknown.
Happy to be proven wrong...
That story first circulated some time in the 70s with the growth of re-enactors. But there's no historical basis for it.
The gesture itself is centuries old but the story of its origin is unknown.
Happy to be proven wrong...
Quick addendum.
As I recall the favourite explanations for it's origins are either as the horns of the devil or a sign of the cuckold to taunt the opposition.
But, like expression 'OK',* no one really knows where it comes from.
*No, not an American president who didn't know how to spell his name - it was in use before then.
As I recall the favourite explanations for it's origins are either as the horns of the devil or a sign of the cuckold to taunt the opposition.
But, like expression 'OK',* no one really knows where it comes from.
*No, not an American president who didn't know how to spell his name - it was in use before then.
There's a medieval painting with a group of archers facing a training target and one has arguably two fingers up pointing to the target. However this is not conclusively clear support for the archer origin story. I think it's actually a fairly modern origin because the horns origin was actually little and index fingers for the horns.
So the truth is the origins is unknown but to us English I think the agincourt myth is actually preferable to horns of the devil. It is for me.
So the truth is the origins is unknown but to us English I think the agincourt myth is actually preferable to horns of the devil. It is for me.
I was told that it was an English snub (like flicking your nail in your teeth) to the French.
A rude gesticulation......and on that note, please remember that the forum guidelines ask for 'child, school, library, etc., friendly conversation.
A rude gesticulation......and on that note, please remember that the forum guidelines ask for 'child, school, library, etc., friendly conversation.
In some cultures a thumbs up is a grossly offensive sign; do you think they write on their forums "it still amuses me when I see non- (insert language here) origin or native speakers, internet social media posers use the thumbs up sign. Are they really telling their followers to ...?"
