A very, very rare bird suffers death by wind turbine.

Toddy
I'm also sure the bird will have followed the insects it eats and would not understand the circular geometry the turbine blades make.
Beautiful bird.

Ah

"Wind turbine save lives of thousands of British Insects some quite rare from Foreign marauding Bird"

Oh sorry Humans usually rank life and a cute bird outranks insects

Welcome to Nature its a life or Death situation and we as humans are part of it

once saw a Pigeon hit a Power cable (big National grid job)

Head landed under the Wire body glided 40m odd before landing that was 30 yrs ago
 

Toddy

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Nobody's going to leave the turbines to moulder and rot anymore than they're leaving the pylons when they bury the cables. All of the pylons round here have been dismantled and removed in the last couple of years.


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Goatboy

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Nobody's going to leave the turbines to moulder and rot anymore than they're leaving the pylons when they bury the cables. All of the pylons round here have been dismantled and removed in the last couple of years.


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So they can build the super pylons 'round here! They'll be fun the first bad winter.
 

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Germany seems to be managing quite nicely with less nuclear power and more renewables nowadays, seems a bit weird that people claim we couldn't manage in the UK. Not exactly short of coastline are we?

If Germany can phase out nuclear power and still thrive, why would other nations pursue a uranium-fuelled future?

AT THE start of this year Germany officially entered the Dark Ages again – at least according to its state weather service. A mere 22.5 hours of sunshine were recorded in January – a 60-year low. Despite this, the country's power supply, which has a world leading input from solar panels, firmly stood its ground, even without the eight nuclear reactors that were switched off in 2011.

There was sufficient energy for charging smartphones, running dishwashers and the like – and enough for slightly more essential things such as industry or life-support systems in hospitals. And people in need of a fake tan could easily get one.

Such good news probably did not go down well with the pro-nuclear lobby. Grim and cold spells of this type had been their favourite doomsday scenario. Talk of a Stromlücke, or electricity gap, made headlines after the 2011 decision to shut nearly half of Germany's 17 reactors in the wake of Japan's Fukushima disaster.

The fear ran rampant that, without a nuclear backbone, blackouts might push German industry out of business – or at least out of the country.

This proved groundless. Despite the reactor switch-offs, Germany was able to help nuclear neighbour France as she struggled to meet electric heating needs in the winter immediately after Fukushima. According to recent figures released by the Federal Statistical Office, German electricity exports in 2012 hit a four-year high, which also rebuts the popular fallacy that the country relies on imported electricity from nuclear plants in France or the Czech Republic.

When a highly industrialised country such as Germany can cut a third of its nuclear capacity almost at the flick of a switch and still export more electricity than it imports, the pursuit of a nuclear renaissance elsewhere is puzzling. For example, the UK recently agreed to a new nuclear plant, Hinkley Point C, in Somerset and work began on reactors in South Carolina and Georgia in the US.

Why would anyone choose to reinvest in a form of power that seems not to have been harnessed properly? At Chernobyl and Fukushima the world had two very close shaves. Not a very impressive safety record for a technology that has been pampered with billions of dollars of investment over 60 years.

Nuclear power incurs risks and costs beyond the operation of its reactors: getting uranium out of the ground devastates the ecology of countries that mine it. Then there is the risk of nuclear proliferation and of terrorist attacks on a reactor site. Finally, Germany and many other countries have no facility for the final storage of nuclear waste. That's a bit like taking off in an aeroplane without having a proper landing strip ready.

Fortunately, there are far better alternatives. In 2010 my agency devised a study which showed how Germany could source all of its electric energy from sun, wind or water. Now the Energiewende, or energy transition, the country needs to make is high on the political agenda and gathering pace quickly. Remaining nuclear power stations will be shut by 2022 and fossil-fuel dependence reduced bit by bit.

Some fear carbon emissions will rise. However, Germany is still way ahead of its Kyoto target. In 2012 emissions were already down 25.5 per cent compared to 1990 levels. Under Kyoto only 21 per cent is expected.

One of the most pressing challenges of a 100 per cent renewable world is how best to use energy sources that by their very nature do not run constantly. Your average German wind turbine operates for 1600 hours of the year. Equally, there are times when wind turbines or solar panels produce too much electricity. How to store this excess? This can be done conventionally by pumping water to fill a reservoir during the day, and using it to produce hydroelectric power at night.

More sophisticated is power-to-gas: carbon dioxide and water are combined in a series of steps to produce methane. Renewables will supply the electricity and the methane can be fed into the gas network to heat homes, fuel cars or generate electricity. The technology has yet to mature. But firms such as Audi are trying to get it off the ground commercially.

Another challenge is to transport power from the wind-rich north to the more populous southern and central Germany. That will mean building hundreds of kilometres of new power lines. Opposition is predicted. But this could be tackled by offering locals a financial share in mid-scale, private solar power installations or wind farms.

A quick word on prices: the financial support for renewables has taken some flak. Critics argue that ladling out money for solar panels has overheated the market and created too much capacity at too high a price. But this can be dealt with. Cuts to payments to panel owners for the electricity they generate, the feed-in tariff, have been made, more will follow. To put things in perspective: under the present system the average German is expected to pay €5 a month towards the feed-in tariff. This is a sound investment in clean technology, protecting us from the spiralling prices of conventional energy.

In a recent study we showed that in 2030, renewable electricity on average will cost 7.6 cents per kilowatt hour; electricity from gas or coal-fired power plants will probably be 9 cents. Onshore wind turbines already match prices of some fossil fuels.

Critics of the Energiewende have argued that it was a knee-jerk reaction after Fukushima. In fact, it was a very rational decision that ended a long and emotional debate over energy policy.

We in Germany are not missionaries for this approach. Everybody is free to ignore the facts. Put simply, nuclear power is unsafe and fossil fuels are not a long-term option because of climate change.
 

mountainm

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It's a shame but I'd have guessed the bird was not in the best of condition after crossing from America anyway? Also had it not (by getting so lost) just Darwinned itself out of the gene pool anyway?

It was probably distracted by the glint off a thousand twitchy lenses.

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A Very glib article Demographic, I for one am not convinced.

Those people who are planning the solar farm have not put PV panels on my roof yet as I suggested. Anybody would think I was going to charge them rent.
 

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A Very glib article Demographic, I for one am not convinced.

Which parts especially? Germany does indeed seem to be managing quite well and is selling electricity to France, the article isn't the best written article I've seen in New Scientist but it was there I read it and not the Daily Mail or any other tabloid.

I do understand that whilst people are talking about energy generation they seem to miss out the fact that most of us have very energy hungry appliances in our homes and simply using less energy is a bloody good start.
 

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I'm at a loss to understand how a wind turbine can decapitate a bird.........................the turbines I've seen turn around relatively slowly. it's not as if they're spinning like fans...........

You haven't been paying attention in class. The tip speed of those blades can easily be two hundred miles per hour. They look like they're going slowly for the same reason that tracer rounds in the distance look like they're going slowly -- but try dodging them when they reach you.

How does a bird that's flown so far manage to hit what is effectively a 6m diameter disk? It's got the whole sky to play in

A perfect example of why we humans are so good at screwing things up for everybody else.

More like a 50m diameter disc when you take account of the blade speeds. And there probably wasn't just one of them, we tend to put them in rows, at right-angles to the prevailing wind, to maximise the probability of killing things that are flying by in the same direction as the wind. And it hasn't got the whole sky to play in, it has limitations, and it has to consider energy conservation, predators, the availability of food. It's not like it's going out for a bimble because it feels like it -- almost 100% of its effort is going into survival. Survival is very finely balanced and anything that tends to tip that balance is likely to have a much greater effect than a human expects, largely because he hasn't given the matter much thought.

... (whole of the sky to fly in and it hits a blade) ...

Whole of the road to play in and you hit this car.

A pigeon once died when it hit our patio doors. Let's ban patio doors.

Glass takes a truly terrible toll on our bird life. If there are no net curtains it's best to put stickers on it, or something similar, so that the birds can see something is there. The silhouettes of hawks are good, I have them on the showroom windows at work.

Tbh, I quite like the wind turbines, though I think the wave power would be more consistantly effective if we could get the stability right.

I think you mean tidal power don't you Mary? Wave power is just wind power that's wet. Granted there's an awful lot of it up your way. :)

Smaller versions of the turbines are going up on houses and farms around here...

Unfortunately small turbines are inefficient, they tend to be unreliable and less cost effective than big ones. I don't think the wildlife issues are at all clear yet but I can't see them helping a lot.

I'm sorry the wee bird seems to have hit the windvane thing; but as I said, how the hang did it manage it ...

The bird didn't hit the turbine. The turbine blade hit the bird. The blade was probably going ten times as fast as the bird was.

The large white turbines you see might not chop the head off a bird but I've seen turbines like the one pictured in the article working and they spin round at a real pace...

Don't confuse the rate of rotation with the blade tip speed. A 90 metre diameter blade can be doing over 20 revolutions per minute. Now 20rpm -- one revolution every three seconds -- might look slow from a distance, and it might not sound a lot when you've been looking at the tachometer of your Granada Ghia (if they even have them, I don't know) but 3.142 x 90 x 20 / 60 is almost 100 metres per second, or about 210 miles per hour. And a sufficiently large and heavy blunt instrument doing even fifty miles per hour is going plenty fast enough to take your head off.
 

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More like a 50m diameter disc when you take account of the blade speeds. And there probably wasn't just one of them, we tend to put them in rows, at right-angles to the prevailing wind, to maximise the probability of killing things that are flying by in the same direction as the wind.

As far as I am aware the turbines on Harris are these http://www.westwindturbines.co.uk/pages/index.asp?title=Overview_10kw&catID=199&subcatID=303, like I said 6m diameter blades, and there's not a row of them, there's one serving a small community.
 

Wook

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Quite.

The undisputed kings of wind energy are of course the Dutch . They use so much of it in fact that on still days they need to import power from the neighbouring non-green countries at exorbitant rates just to keep the lights on. Needless to say electricity is also extremely expensive there.
 

stonepark

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If people were serious about not killing birds why do they still drive cars that kill millions of them each year and use up fossil fuels at exorbitant rates?



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Wook

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A few birds get hit by turbines or we all drown when the sea rises.... tragic but a price that will have to be paid

You might, but not me:cool:. I live at 300ft above sea level, and even the most ardent greenie doesn't predict anything like that sort of rise, so I'm fine.:p

The north pole melting wouldn't be a problem since that ice is already floating and already displaces the sea by the same volume. Think of what happens to the level in your glass when the ice melts. It hardly changes at all.

The south pole would pose a bigger problem since that ice is on land, but even it would not produce anywhere close to a 300ft rise. Fortunately for us, Antarctica is one of the few places on Earth that is actually getting colder so we're fine.
 

Goatboy

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You might, but not me:cool:. I live at 300ft above sea level, and even the most ardent greenie doesn't predict anything like that sort of rise, so I'm fine.:p

The north pole melting wouldn't be a problem since that ice is already floating and already displaces the sea by the same volume. Think of what happens to the level in your glass when the ice melts. It hardly changes at all.

The south pole would pose a bigger problem since that ice is on land, but even it would not produce anywhere close to a 300ft rise. Fortunately for us, Antarctica is one of the few places on Earth that is actually getting colder so we're fine.

Wook I think you're right that we'd be OK where we are but it would mean that folks from low lying areas would want to come live where we are, putting up land and food prices. Also decause of density issues levels would rise I'm afraid LINK.

They do reckon that with increased warming that the Gulf Stream will shift and bring us temperature wise into line with Canada and the Nordic countries.:)
 

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