A pair of knives

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Now that those two knives have safely reached their new home in Canada, I can show them off :D

You may remember this thread on sheaths I started a little while back. Both the sheaths are a result of it.

The bushy has a 100mm long blade, the handle is stabilised Burr Elm. It's not very clear on the pics, but it has thumb scallops on the handle. I can't claim the invention of those unfortunately, but got the idea from here and added them on my knives. I found they make it easier to hold the knife correctly for some work. They also help to keep the handle fairly slim near the blade.

The other knife is one my versions of the Nessmuk, 225 mm long, also with stabilised Burr Elm scales.

The main body of the sheaths are wet molded veg tan leather, the straps were added separately after the molded part have dried and are not wet formed so remain more flexible. They are also very deep sheaths as the guy had lost another Nessmuk to the Forest Spirits when it fell out of its sheath.

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I hope you like them ;)
 
Really nice Jojo. I like them both

There is something that might improve the Nessie though


Something about the handle


can't quite put my finger on it though..........

Red :D
 
Oh my goodness gracious me - simply a superb pair indeed. Question is, planning opn making any more?
 
The knives arrived safe and sound, and the only reason I haven't commented on them sooner is simply because I've been too busy playing with them!

We have named the two knives Ravenwing, simply because they reminded me of when I was in Manitouwadge Ontario. I was moose hunting (with my previous Jojo Nessmuk by the way;) ) and was on a ridge overlooking a large expanse of pine, fir and cedar. While up there I had five ravens fly beneath me along the edge of the ridge (they were on the treetops, and I was higher up than them, so I got a bird's eye view of.. birds). As they flapped their wings, they made a sharp, crisp cutting sound through the air. That sound always reminds me of the north, and I felt like these knives deserved a name of their own. So now, they are nicknamed the "Ravenwing Nessie" and the "Ravenwing Bushie".

But enough about entymology (if that is the wrong word.. ironic). Here is a quick rundown on what I put each of them through;

Ravenwing Nessie:

-Skinned and quartered two raccoons
-Skinned and quartered a fox
-Prepared 15 meals, including dicing mushrooms, slicing tomatoes, sectioning beef, and mincing herbs
-Camp kitchen work (lifting pots off the fire, starting the fire, splitting kindling for fire, making quick additions to the kitchen like new pothangers, and the like)

All tasks were accomplished perfectly and required no switching over to other knives for the tasks. This is what I love Nessmuk style knives for, they are absolutely equipped for hunting and camp chores. The only place a Nessmuk in my opinion is not the perfect choice is in basic bushcraft (carving, toolmaking and other more laborious chores). The reason for such a statement is due to the extremely round belly, which is good for chopping and skinning tasks, is not in my honest opinion the best shape for a carving-oriented task.

Ravenwing Bushie:

-Split and feathered over 50 arm lengths of varied wood (cedar, spruce, poplar, maple, beech and others)
-Carved four manitoukenacs (our concept of lawn gnomes I suppose, but they are meant to guard the entrances to lodges).
-Made well over two dozen tent stakes, plus cutting 500 ft of parachute cord for making into guylines and other needed ropes.
-The making of tracking sticks and other required tools.
-Shaved my face

The only issue I came across with the Bushie, was when I tried to pry a piece of resinwood out of a dead spruce tree. This bent the tip, but I simply used a piece of firm cedar to baton it back into shape with no effort

Both knives accompanied me on a Search and Rescue (SAR) Course this past weekend, offered by Survival In The Bush Inc. in Markdale Ontario. While on the course I had to prepare wood for fires, as well as set camp. The Ravenwing Bushie performed so well, that foresters, police and the instructors themselves all gave their own admiration to "the little girl". Often on the course, the Bushie was compared to the big brutes many of them were carrying, plus the little pocket knives and multi-tools the others had. Interestingly, everytime it was compared, the conversation would draw quiet after anyone witnessed the cutting power of the Bushie in her element (The Canadian Woodland).

JonM was on the course and prior to setting out on the SAR course, said and I quote "Damn, that's nice". Seeing as he is a survival instructor from one of the most respected survival companies in Canada, I'm holding that as an endorsement. :D

The Nessie was seen several times when preparing fires and my meals. The Bushie was worn in an under-arm carry, and although it rained nearly all weekend, the leather sheathes of both knives held up well. On Tuesday, after a few days home, I checked the Bushie and noticed spot rust on her face. The Nessie had no such rust marks (but she remained at camp every day out of the rain except during cooking). I fixed up the Bushie by a gentle polishing with an SOS pad, followed by a thorough drying, and a few drops of oil on the handle and blade. She looks good as new now.

On a personal note, I've heard some jesting on Jojo's behalf about his handles. I can't speak for everyone, seeing as I have been told the UK gutting methods (or gralloching as you folks call it) may have some strict traditions of processing. But in all of my 12 years of skinning and processing Canadian Big Game (moose, elk, bear and deer), I have never found a better handle. I heard one gentleman slipped up on the blade. Again, perhaps this may just be how the knife is held, because how I grip a knife while skinning, it is physically impossible for my fingers to slip forward, finger grooves or no finger grooves.

The Nessmuk handle to me is perfect for when I am in deep swamp, trying to gut and quarter that one bull moose that seemed to think my arrow missed. The thickness allows me to hold onto it even with thick wool gloves, without slipping. As well, the shape allows me to guide the belly and point exactly where I want it, which I cannot say about straight handles, which remind me of a lever on a big gadget, rather than the handle of a precision tool.

To each their own I suppose, but to me, the Ravenwings are the perfect bush knives.. add a parang and I will be set for life.

-Oz
 
How nice to see you back Oz - and great to hear the knives are getting a workout too - good review!

Don't worry about the handle comment - it was a running joke between Joel and I. I see Joel as "king of the Nessmuks", but I always wanted one with an anler crown handle just as in GWS' original woodcut

He has however shut me up now :)

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Red
 
He has however shut me up now

I have? :eek: Really?:D Nah, can't believe that...:bluThinki

I am pleased the knives are doing what you wanted them for, Oz. They certainly are getting a better work out from you than I could give them over here. Are those thumb scallops really any help? I like the name you've given them.

I have made a nice sheath for the antler handled Nessmuk..I am very pleased with it, except for one thing: it's too tight..:aargh4: :cussing: :tapedshut
 
I have? :eek: Really?:D Nah, can't believe that...:

I have made a nice sheath for the antler handled Nessmuk..I am very pleased with it, except for one thing: it's too tight..:aargh4: :cussing: :tapedshut


Well I was going to say ....is it ready yet?


But I'll ask again tomorrow :lmao:
 
Aye BR, I've seen the joking, no worries. But the conversation was brought up somewhere on the forums about the handle causing issues. Seeing as I just got home, I will be lazy and just ask you to take my word on it :D. By the way.. Joel's GWS Nessmuk stunned me to the point of being speechless for several hours. Thought I saw the ghost of the old Sout'o'da'49th himself when I saw her.

Another quick thought arised today when I was making tea out in the bush. Often, I put my billy can over some good coals (as most of us do), and will do away with the idea of a rig, seeing as that takes more effort to boil just a mere pot of water for a cup of tea, than I think many of us deem necessary. Because of this, I make a simple fire, of hot cedar, with two thicker logs to prop my pot over the coals with. If it's not boiling enough, stuff some more twigs in between the logs, too hot, rake some coals out. But I digress.

Most people quickly learn that you can put your hand over such a fire with ease, but grasping the bail is not the wisest move (either it's nearest the tallest flames, or it's been heated enough to leave some nice straight lines in your fingers). So what do we do? Well many of us grab the first stick we see thin enough to fit between the bail and the lid and use it as a pot lifter. Which really can go either way; it could lift the pot with no problem, or it could snap and dump your precious tea supply all onto your fire (or all over your thigh as it once did to me, leaving me with a permanent sparrow-shaped scar).

After working with some pretty bush savvy ladies and gents up in the Algonquin Park/Rainy Lake region, I picked up the use of my knife to lift the bail and billycan right off of the fire. I no longer wonder as to whether my knife/pot-lifter will break or not. However, you have to keep your hand very level and move steady, or the whole pot may slip off the knifetip and once again, the danger of scalding hot water becomes present.

With a Nessmuk, or a Green River, or a Hydes Buffalo Knife, this issue is quelled simply by that wonderful "hump" we've all grown to admire for other chores. The hump causes a dip in the spine, between the top of the hump, to the handle. This creates a nice little cradle for the bail of your billycan to rest. I've never had to worry about lifting a pot of water off of a fire arranged in this manner ever since.

Again, it's like those old timers knew something about what a knife should be able to do in the woods.. weird eh? ;)
 
ForgeCorvus,

Alas, I have been working on my own little forge, and plan to be hammering out a few prototypes for my perfect Parang by the end of August. Also on the list is a few dozen firesteels, plus a couple of tomahawks. Been making simple rat-tang crooked knives since January, and when my hardware gets a bit more advanced I'll be making some full tang models to experiment with. But right now, it's Parang all the way. Unless that is, someone here wants to volunteer a prototype for me to test, review and give a stamp of Canadian Bushcraft Approval. I cannot promise it will return to the maker after, but please, don't be afraid to send further prototypes, I'm sure the others will return back to you in the mail ;)

And Jojo,

Those Thumb Scallops are the one thing that make this knife really sing! It makes several grips, including the chest-lever grip, plus the reverse draw-peel grip much more comfortable, and easier to control. If the other guy hasn't patented the idea.. GET ONE!

Honestly, your work is the only gear I am proud enough to boastfully show anyone. My axes, camp gear and handmade clothes are nice.. but my DeLorme crooked knife and Ravenwings are just damned beautiful!
 

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