That makes perfect good sense to me, but anybody who gaily tries to cut my leather trousers off me just because of a bit of blood is going to suffer a pretty catastrophic bleed themselves ! It's one thing to cut laces to get boots off but a whole different thing with leathers.. the exception being one-piece race suits.
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My comment, about catastrophic bleeds if anybody tries to cut my leather trousers off, didn't seem to post. But slapping a TQ on the outside makes perfect good sense.
The original trauma monkey article is a few year old now and things change. Is there any newer information or updates now?
Not that I know much about TQ's or how to use them..
The original trauma monkey article is a few year old now and things change. Is there any newer information or updates now?
Not that I know much about TQ's or how to use them..
Yes I was joking, but it does depend on the circumstances. If unconsious, then they are in control and have to do whatever, no complaint.
I might ask a paramedic not to do so, if they are looking a bit too keen, and there were other viable alternatives. That would involve a quick discussion and my taking a personal risk decision.
e.g. leave the TQ on over the leathers as a contingency until we get to hospital, and better diagnostics/help. Or my ability to move/lift my hips and slide down my trousers.
The risk of an undiagnosed injury is clear, and could be fatal or loss of a limb. However, (my thinking, not any medical training) an external injury will be relatively obvious and probably visible, and therefore treatable, whereas an internal one probably not. Unless my blood pressure was dropping like a stone, which might easily be my spleen.
"Obvious" includes the amount of blood leaking out. A greenstick external break of say thigh bone will either be obvious or leak like a faucet, a tear in the leathers ditto. Whereas skin shear due to friction will leak but not hugely, but probably hurt like hell., and best if the leathers are left on until peeled off in hospital.
Fun considerations when out riding my bike!!
I do intend to get What3Wrods on my phone though, that cpould be a lifesaver (if it can spell better than my typing
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I might ask a paramedic not to do so, if they are looking a bit too keen, and there were other viable alternatives. That would involve a quick discussion and my taking a personal risk decision.
e.g. leave the TQ on over the leathers as a contingency until we get to hospital, and better diagnostics/help. Or my ability to move/lift my hips and slide down my trousers.
The risk of an undiagnosed injury is clear, and could be fatal or loss of a limb. However, (my thinking, not any medical training) an external injury will be relatively obvious and probably visible, and therefore treatable, whereas an internal one probably not. Unless my blood pressure was dropping like a stone, which might easily be my spleen.
"Obvious" includes the amount of blood leaking out. A greenstick external break of say thigh bone will either be obvious or leak like a faucet, a tear in the leathers ditto. Whereas skin shear due to friction will leak but not hugely, but probably hurt like hell., and best if the leathers are left on until peeled off in hospital.
Fun considerations when out riding my bike!!
I do intend to get What3Wrods on my phone though, that cpould be a lifesaver (if it can spell better than my typing
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Do it now!!!!!I do intend to get What3Wrods on my phone though, that cpould be a lifesaver (if it can spell better than my typing
It really is a life saver. If you’ve watched Saving Lives at Sea or Ambulance in recent years you will know how often it has pinpointed casualties.
You don’t have to spell anything.
Just switch it on, let it settle and either tell the emergency services the///W3W or hit the normal share to inform someone else.
It’s a good idea to take two readings if you are in a position to do so. Tap another square close by.
There are a few legends about ambiguity. Two readings eliminates any problem.
I’m not sure how useful any device or system shall be if you are trying to control a bad bleed at the same time and are in shock.
I think shock is going to be one of the issues around applying a tourniquet to yourself.
I wish you luck and that you never have to use one either on yourself or on others.
I think if you’re remote, and especially if using sharp things in a remote location, something like the Garmin InReach with an SOS button is pretty essential. I have some more remote plans for the year and am going to purchase one.
Call me Mr Pedantic! . But a “Greenstick” fracture is a break that is suffered by children, due to their bones being softer.Yes I was joking, but it does depend on the circumstances. If unconsious, then they are in control and have to do whatever, no complaint.
I might ask a paramedic not to do so, if they are looking a bit too keen, and there were other viable alternatives. That would involve a quick discussion and my taking a personal risk decision.
e.g. leave the TQ on over the leathers as a contingency until we get to hospital, and better diagnostics/help. Or my ability to move/lift my hips and slide down my trousers.
The risk of an undiagnosed injury is clear, and could be fatal or loss of a limb. However, (my thinking, not any medical training) an external injury will be relatively obvious and probably visible, and therefore treatable, whereas an internal one probably not. Unless my blood pressure was dropping like a stone, which might easily be my spleen.
"Obvious" includes the amount of blood leaking out. A greenstick external break of say thigh bone will either be obvious or leak like a faucet, a tear in the leathers ditto. Whereas skin shear due to friction will leak but not hugely, but probably hurt like hell., and best if the leathers are left on until peeled off in hospital.
Fun considerations when out riding my bike!!
I do intend to get What3Wrods on my phone though, that cpould be a lifesaver (if it can spell better than my typing
I agree, I discovered that you can rent a variety of makes all ready set up and working. They can also provide an emergency relay service and/or add your own personal contact numbers. For one-off trips obviously there is a rental cost and call charges but is probably more economic and gives peace of mind that it is all set up and working. Apparently that's not a given if you buy an set one up yourself, there can be differences across different countries.
Not heard of it being used in that context but understandable. I'm thinking of where a bone splinters like a green branch, possibly poking thru the skin. I know there is a more technical name for it, but cannot remember it and we are talking in generalities.
It comes from how kids bones don't snap all the way through, like a green stick, compared to adults whose bones tend to break in two like a dry stick.
I had several months in hospital talking to lots of people as a patient on an orthopedic ward a few years ago...
Certainly in our area (and other areas i seen in the UK) the ambulance use CatC tourniquets.
The HART teams have bandoleers holding 20 or so of them for attending mass casualty situations.
I have at least one CatC on every pack i use for bushcraft.
I have a trauma pack with a SWAT version in my shooting coat (SWAT = Stretch, wrap and tuck).
and at least one large trauma dressing in a trouser pocket or pack.
Whatever you go for, make sure:
1/ you know when, where and how to use it and
2/ Get a real one. there are many, many cheap copies available that break in use. If you are in the unfortunate position to need to use it for real, you really need it to work.
The HART teams have bandoleers holding 20 or so of them for attending mass casualty situations.
I have at least one CatC on every pack i use for bushcraft.
I have a trauma pack with a SWAT version in my shooting coat (SWAT = Stretch, wrap and tuck).
and at least one large trauma dressing in a trouser pocket or pack.
Whatever you go for, make sure:
1/ you know when, where and how to use it and
2/ Get a real one. there are many, many cheap copies available that break in use. If you are in the unfortunate position to need to use it for real, you really need it to work.
An alternative is the Tournikey, which requires a triangular bandage or similar to work.
I know they were used in Ukraine when TQs were in short supply.
Might be a lighter cost effective compromise for some
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I know they were used in Ukraine when TQs were in short supply.
Might be a lighter cost effective compromise for some
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