GMail will use your data to train AI (ie. read all your private emails)

[slowworm]

Personal data could be obtained already. It has been definitively proven that data is bought and sold... fobbed off as leaks and hackers...

Again I don't understand your point. Yes data is stolen, sold etc, but risks can be reduced and that is the point of the OP. You can get through any front door but that doesn't stop many people locking it and taking extra precautions - each reducing risk of someone breaking in. Some may not bother locking their door but that doesn't mean others would choose not to.

With gmail my mum uses it for some basic stuff, I can't see much risk of her usage becoming public. I use my email for much more and would not.

 

[Broch]

People tend to forget that in the days of cheques we handed over a piece of paper with our name, bank account, sort code, and a sample of our signature every time we bought something.

 

[nigelp]

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[slowworm]

People tend to forget that in the days of cheques we handed over a piece of paper with our name, bank account, sort code, and a sample of our signature every time we bought something.

And there was/is a fair bit of fraud on cheques. I guess a large percentage of current fraud and scams is down to basic crime, theft, forgery etc.

But again that doesn't mean we should ignore more modern stuff, especially when many of us live more digitally. Having tried to get personal data corrected, and experiencing how useless organisations such as the ICO are, I certainly wouldn't like to be the victim of more modern identity theft. So, I try to look after my data.

On another note, something I've mentioned before, but looking after and elderly relative and accessing medical and financial data on her behalf (with her permission) it's quite easy to gain access to private data when the organisation hasn't positively identified who I am.

 

[HillBill]

Again I don't understand your point. Yes data is stolen, sold etc, but risks can be reduced and that is the point of the OP. You can get through any front door but that doesn't stop many people locking it and taking extra precautions -

Yes, you can lock your door. Thats why people with the intent of gaining entry come with screwdrivers, crowbars and various other means of achieving that objective.

My point is really quite simple Slowworm. Ai does not want, nor need your data... But the people developing and employing AI to mine data, clearly do... or why would they do it? The answer is always one of, if not all 3 of these things... Money, Power, Control.

Regarding your example of extra security... Just because something is made 'less easy' Doesn't mean its still not easy. My own example being... Shops get banned from selling raw bacon... But no law regarding cooked bacon... Oh no, i cant go buy bacon... yet, you can still order a cooked bacon sarnie, delivered to your door.

Which is easy? or more realistically, which is easier?

If you have alterative suggestions, i am more than happy to listen and consider.

Edit to add... Please consider my bacon point hypothetical, as that is what it is. I expect you know that... But its the internet, and there's always someone who won't!

 

[Chris]

If LLMs getting trained on your personal emails doesn’t bother you, this thread isn’t aimed at you. If it is something you care about, feel free to use the steps I listed.

Good health to you whatever you choose, we can all do whatever works best for our own needs.

 

[HillBill]

If LLMs getting trained on your personal emails doesn’t bother you, this thread isn’t aimed at you. If it is something you care about, feel free to use the steps I listed.

Good health to you whatever you choose, we can all do whatever works best for our own needs.

LLM's are more likely to be directed at you because of 'what' you do. The people directing them at you, don't want your data, they want an AI that can make them money, based on the successful models it has discovered in others. If you're not making thousands from things like Youtube/tiktok etc each month, everything you're worried about will have been binned a long time ago (data requires space to store it). Context matters. No one gives a **** about you or me. If your data provides access to the potential to make a lot of money, fine... worry. But i dont, and i highly doubt most of us do.

 

[C_Claycomb]

We need a face palm “like”

I can imagine some member of the landed gentry around 1810 smugly proclaiming that there is no point in advertising to the working class because none of them have enough money to make worthwhile purchases. Similarly completely failing to understand the business model and methods that were building fortunes and would change the world.
But….what can one do when old and antiquated opinions are held so tightly?

 

[nigelp]

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[Falstaff]

Radio 4 politician said they are aware a lot of children have gone the VPN route, and they are looking at preventative legislation and leaning on VPN providers to do age checks. But still claimed the current rules are protecting most children.

 

[HillBill]

We need a face palm “like”

I can imagine some member of the landed gentry around 1810 smugly proclaiming that there is no point in advertising to the working class because none of them have enough money to make worthwhile purchases. Similarly completely failing to understand the business model and methods that were building fortunes and would change the world.
But….what can one do when old and antiquated opinions are held so tightly?

We can use terms regarding your reply like 'Reductio ad absurdum'

Conversation regarding the most advanced tools we have at our disposal... reverts it having clean up horse poo from his driveway because...'Hyacinth Bucket' is due in town.

 

[HorseGuy]

I heard on the radio this morning that Labour plan on making VPNs illegal in the UK.

 

[Chris]

I heard on the radio this morning that Labour plan on making VPNs illegal in the UK.

No, they’re proposing they are not allowed for use by under 18s.

Not that I agree as it’ll decrease privacy for adults, but it’s a key difference.

 

[HorseGuy]

No, they’re proposing they are not allowed for use by under 18s.

Not that I agree as it’ll decrease privacy for adults, but it’s a key difference.

Ahh. That's not so bad in that case then. It seems the radio only told me half of the story.

Although I do still wonder about gradual 'mission creep' over time with this kind of online privacy thing.

 

[Chris]

Ahh. That's not so bad in that case then. It seems the radio only told me half of the story.

Although I do still wonder about gradual 'mission creep' over time with this kind of online privacy thing.

Yeah, that's always my concern as well with these sort of 'think of the children!' arguments.

 

[C_Claycomb]

YouTube channel “Cyber Waffle” has a number of videos on the subject of VPN legislation, age verification and security concerns.

 

[Falstaff]

So if mum and dad put the VPN in place how will they know if little Jonny is using it ?(assuming the parents permit it) Not so little if he's nearly 18.
I thought there was a nutty suggestion to allow 16year-olds to vote - (quickly went quiet when politicians found 16 year olds don't like them)

 

[hughtrimble]

So if mum and dad put the VPN in place how will they know if little Jonny is using it ?(assuming the parents permit it) Not so little if he's nearly 18.
I thought there was a nutty suggestion to allow 16year-olds to vote - (quickly went quiet when politicians found 16 year olds don't like them)

It's a daft and purely tokenistic move

 

[Falstaff]

Tokenistic maybe....but beware mission creep "justification". "They" do not like VPN's and privacy, hence the desire for ID cards and pushing to access to encrypted texts etc. We live in increasingly difficult unstable political times with a lot of extremist views.
From the national security and policing/control perspective it is a widening nightmare and I can see why "They" might need these things.

 

[hughtrimble]

Tokenistic maybe....but beware mission creep "justification". "They" do not like VPN's and privacy, hence the desire for ID cards and pushing to access to encrypted texts etc. We live in increasingly difficult unstable political times with a lot of extremist views.
From the national security and policing/control perspective it is a widening nightmare and I can see why "They" might need these things.

Oh don't get me wrong, I am not supportive of this proposed move. It's another small turn on the hob heating the frog's water.