"Bruiser Knife"

[stuart m]

Thats closer weaver thanks - in fact - we've just re-invented stus P1 (or fairly close)

stu,

The handle shape of the P1 looks spot on. I have to say I would prefer to lose the little choil thingy and have just a shade thinner and longer blade. The blade I like most in that range is the one at 5 o'clock on the bottom of page 10.

If we could in some way hybridise that little beauty with the P1 and end up with a three finger version? Guess it couldn't really be done in antler though without bolsters?

We might be tending towards wood if thats the case.....I think beater and biter need to be a set and I'm not sure how biter would look in Sambar - its a bit big and chunky for such a wee knife.

What do you think?

Red

I think that could be done in antler mate, with the right antler of course... P1'ish handle with the 571'ish blade, no worries... I'll see how that looks tomorrow and let you see it

I'll try it at the 2" you mentioned but also try it a little longer, see how they both look.

Antler will be fine on that smaller knife

 

[British Red]

Hi Stu,

Thinking on a bit more could we round out the end of the handle just a touch (almsot a ball like finish) and make the overall contours of biter as round as possible? Its going to be gripped in a three fingered knuckle hold so it needs to be round. I'll try to do a sketch in a bit.

Red

Ps - I'll abswer you in a bit Fin

 

[British Red]

Hey stu - its a rubbish sketch but hopefully you can get what I'm going for with my limited box of cyber crayons!

Red

 

[British Red]

Love these discussions Red and of course the last one you did spawned the work of art which is your SM personal knife.

Fin, stu is the artist in this - I just like trying to solve problems as a knife user. I draw things in crayon (a bit like a 10 year old drawing a car) and stu does the knid design shop teacher voice

I think it might be better with wheels Red, what do you think?

It is a great experience and for me, seeing something evolve into a finished product is such a buzz. The nice thing for me with these threads is when other guys jump in with ideas, comments, suggestions etc. The finished product is always the better for it.

At work I used to love design meetings where we set out to solve a problem - brainstorming ideas, changing them, realising one wouldn't work, looking at the problem a different way etc. I teach and evaluate now rather than do and I miss that side of things.

I admit that I have skim read this thread so may have missed something but:

Why the spear (or even clip) point on the larger knife?

Its more drop than spear or clip I would say but thats splitting hairs. At its simplest level - it needs a point of some sort. I could just go flat topped like a Leuku but, for me, that type of finish provides less utility than a narrower point than can be used for boring. I have even wedged the point of a spear point knife into a piece of branch and used it like a draw knife before.

Incidentally (mini hijack) the sheath for my Leuku/ Puukko is God awful! (plastic insert and all!) so I'm in the market for all you talented makers to make me a custom sheath, PM me please.

I would have said talk to Singteck but he's back in Malaysia for a goodly time.

Leon-1 or Rapidboy, Longstrider or Topknot all do great leather work. I ahve a possibles pouch from Leon, a Laplander sheath from Rapidbou and some lovely tooled pouched (for my SAK and so on) from Topknot.

I would seek one of them out and tell em Red sent you

Red

 

[stuart m]

Hey stu - its a rubbish sketch but hopefully you can get what I'm going for with my limited box of cyber crayons!

Red

Cool... Got that!

The blade on the biter there has a lot more drop than the 571 has/had (the one at 5 o'clock in the review), but that is not a problem. Incidentally, that blade back on that 571 is perfectly flat, no drop at all.

I'll have a look today

 

[Shinken]

wow what a difference a day makes 24 lil hours, this thread has moved on.

i am getting all excited about the finished knife and its not even mine lol

 

[British Red]

stu,

Fell free to mess some more with the lines! I was really making adaptions to the P1 lines which is why it ended up like that - a flat top might be nice as might a longer blade. The big thing for me is that its comfy, precise and quite slim so that the rig carrying both doesn't end up as too cumbersome.

Shinken - it could be yours we haven't decided to make it yet - we're just crayoning for now

Red

 

[michiel]

Looks like this is going to be a great thread. I'm sure it's going to be as good as the PFK! Have fun designing it!

Michiel

 

[Hoodoo]

So, gaining something from the discussions about Leukus, one of the things that has always struck a cord with me is the Leuku sets where they are doubled with a Puukko

Something like this

I have an idea of a "companion set" of the bruiser and a small three finger knife with a 2" blade thats razor sharp for fine work. About 5" overall length so it lies flat to the bruiser blade in the sheath without intruding on the handle.

Sort of "Master Blaster" from Mad Max

What does anyone think?

Red

Double sets are great! I have several leuku, puukko double sets, including the one above. This double, though, is my favorite. From Paul Savage.

I think that knife just begs for a companion.

 

[British Red]

Thanks Hoodoo - thats inspiring - if a "proper knife bloke" thinks it worthwhile then I feel a bit less odd .

Well, we'll see how it looks when stu pretties it up

Red

 

[Shinken]

Hoodo, how well does that sheath work? i am considering the making the same for myself.
does it feel too bulky?

thanks in advance

 

[stuart m]

Sorry fellas, I have been snowed under today so didn't get the chance to draw anything up... I'll see if I get chance later but if not it'll have to be tomorrow morning

Sorry, Stu.

 

[BorderReiver]

fellas, I have been snowed under today so didn't get the chance to draw anything up... I'll see if I get chance later but if not it'll have to be tomorrow morning

, Stu.

A Sheffield knife maker snowed under ?

I like the sound of that.

 

[British Red]

Me too - I hope it was work not global warming

 

[stuart m]

A Sheffield knife maker snowed under ?

I like the sound of that.

Me too, and thank you

Me too - I hope it was work not global warming

Yep, all work... Well nearly

 

[British Red]

Pleased to hear it! Theres no rush stu - we've still got to work out grinds and grind heights, talk about carry options, make the tea etc.

Red

 

[Shinken]

Hi Stu, for some reason i cant send pm's on this site at work for some reason. I am thinking brick color liners but now im thinking black.

ssorry to hijack thread Red!

 

[Hoodoo]

Hoodo, how well does that sheath work? i am considering the making the same for myself.
does it feel too bulky?

thanks in advance

This setup is not too bad. Obviously the bigger the knives, the more bulky the sheath will be. I also have single sheaths for both so it gives me options but carrying two knives in one sheath is an acquired taste, especially if either of them is large.

Paul put an extra wide strap on the sheath, so it positions well when sitting or standing and it's easy to slide out of the way.This one is a canted crossdraw sheath which reduces it's hanging length and imo, makes it less bulky, i.e., less likely to bang around when you are sitting.

 

[Fin]

Its more drop than spear or clip I would say but thats splitting hairs. At its simplest level - it needs a point of some sort. I could just go flat topped like a Leuku but, for me, that type of finish provides less utility than a narrower point than can be used for boring. I have even wedged the point of a spear point knife into a piece of branch and used it like a draw knife before

Ah! Now I see! - heavy duty boring and top tip on the draw knife conversion idea!

I can see how you enjoy the design process because it's facinating to watch at a distance - from intial idea, through changes as a result of suggestions, to final fruition.

I think the double knife concept hasn't been explored properly in this country as yet. My axe gets very limited usage - partly because of my lack of skill with it. I do find the Leuku a much safer tool to use - albeit limited to soft wood environments.

I look forward to your user review - especially with the larger knife and how it performs as a possible axe replacement and my only bit of advice in this regard is pay special attention to the ergonomics of the handle - like I said I reprofiled my Leuku so that it has a deeper indentation towards the rear. This is where my ring finger sits (pinkie is off the handle) - enabling greater leverage and "snap" to the chopping stroke.

Oh - and cheers for the heads up regarding the leather gurus! I'll PM one of them shortly!

 

[BorderReiver]

This close to what your looking for BR?

From BB