Gone Fishin'

[Kong]

never seen somany stupid comments be fore

 

[John Fenna]

never seen somany stupid comments be fore

Please elucidate.
By the by - " so many" is two words and "before" is one.

 

[GGTBod]

You don't know how hard it was to resist a similar posting John, felt like what i'd imagine an OCD tick does

 

[John Fenna]

a better shot of the kit contents - now housed in a pipe baccy tin with an old Pritt stick as a line holder/caster..
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Home made spinners (Coke can) , trimmings of flashing as lead weights, artificial maggots, floats from old wine bottles, Dacron Line (spare line on a bobbin) - nuttin expensive!

 

[santaman2000]

Please elucidate.
By the by - " so many" is two words and "before" is one.

You don't know how hard it was to resist a similar posting John, felt like what i'd imagine an OCD tick does

I have to admit though, that I make similar mistakes all too often. Less because of my spelling ability, and more because of my poor typing skills (fat fingers)

 

[cbr6fs]

John you hit the nail on the head there, for my trip to loch lomond later this month i had originally planned to fish with a rod (illegal to fish without one inland) and then looked into the cost, firstly £28 rod licence, then £25 first time fishing on the loch registration fee, then £50 per week to fish, so if i wanted to catch 1 fish for my supper each day all month that is £253, even if i caught my dinner every single day that is £8.40 per fish, even the fanciest fish in the shop will not cost anywhere near that for a one person portion, not by a long shot. So now my plan is just to pop to any local shop and buy a piece of fish, at most i might sit with a stick pointing over the water for an hour before cooking it up like some sort of fishing simulator.

Seems it is a pastime for the rich who are board

Good luck trying to find a large fresh Scottish Salmon for £8.40
If you find any please let me know as i'll place a bulk order straight away.

To put that into context your looking to pay anywhere around £30 for a decent sized Scottish salmon.
It's not unreasonable to consider that over the course of 1 month your catch would level out to average around 1 per day.

30 days x £30 = £900 worth of Salmon
£900 - £253 = £647 profit to you

Personally i don't see the costs as excessive compared to that.

Sport of the rich or the carefree who take the risk, sadly put an end to my dreams of fishing for food, i hate this country nothing left but the scraps from the table

Speaking as a Englishman that is also a fisherman that has lived in a few other countries i have to say that i'm extremely proud of the way freshwater angling is handled in England.

Visit other countries with a "freer" type attitude towards fishing, licensing and fish quotas and see how many fish you come back with.

The licenses serve as a very good deterrent to the type of people that are ruining outdoors camping, these folks don't care about leaving fire scars and beer cans there is little chance they'd care about catch and release or future fish stocks.

You wouldn't walk onto some ones land and kill a pig, cow, sheep, pheasant etc without some form of permission and licensing so why should fishing be any different.
Fact is you would be pulling fish out of some ones fish stocks on some ones elses land, why do you think it's unreasonable that you give these land/water owners some sort of financial recompense for taking stock from them?


There are very very few people within the UK that hunt specifically to put food on the table, the vast majority do it because they enjoy hunting.
Again why is fishing any different?

 

[santaman2000]

Good luck trying to find a large fresh Scottish Salmon for £8.40
If you find any please let me know as i'll place a bulk order straight away......

Probably true; but he didn't say 8.40 for a large salmon. He said for a one person serving. I usually think of that as a half pound fillet.

 

[cbr6fs]

Probably true; but he didn't say 8.40 for a large salmon. He said for a one person serving. I usually think of that as a half pound fillet.

Good luck on only catching fish that are EXACTLY the right size for your dinner.

 

[GGTBod]

Totally true, anything bigger than 2lb would be completely excessive and would be put back, i would have been looking for enough for one person to go with my carbs each evening, nothing more, I certainly wouldn't be taking a salmon for that.

To further sate your disgust at my position, i do not drink alcohol at all, I don't smoke, I don't litter, I only hunt for food whatever hunting i do, not for sport ever, never have and never will, I never leave a fire scar unless in a designated fire pit and when i leave i carry as much of other people's litter as i can carry wherever i have been, if more people treat this Earth like i do it wouldn't be such a dive, but you keep jumping to assumptions if it feeds your sense of superiority.

 

[santaman2000]

......Speaking as a Englishman that is also a fisherman that has lived in a few other countries i have to say that i'm extremely proud of the way freshwater angling is handled in England.

Visit other countries with a "freer" type attitude towards fishing, licensing and fish quotas and see how many fish you come back with.

The licenses serve as a very good deterrent to the type of people that are ruining outdoors camping, these folks don't care about leaving fire scars and beer cans there is little chance they'd care about catch and release or future fish stocks.......

Keeping this reply strictly to freshwater regulations. we have licenses (and creel limits) here too. But nowhere near that expensive. An ordinary fishing license in Florida is only $12.50 for freshwater. And a license isn't required at all under certain conditions:
-fishing from the bank (or a structure permanently attached to the bank such as a pier or bridge)
-fishing with live or natural baits (no artificials or lures)
-no reel; only a pole
-fishing in your county of residence

It's called the "Cane Pole Law" (although the pole doesn't have to actually be cane) and is intended to allow affordable means to do exactly what GGTBod wants to do; get your supper.


As to how many fish we catch? (not necessarily with the cane pole law though)

There's no posted limit as such for catfish though there are some limits on individual ponds. Are they being depleted/ No. They're holding steady for over a hundred years now. Typical catch? Look below.




Panfish limit (aggragate catch of various species of Bream, Perch, Sunfish, etc.) = 50 per day with a 2 day possession limit (same possession limit as with all fish and game) Are they being depleted? Again, no. Actually in some cases they're even increasing.

 

[santaman2000]

Good luck on only catching fish that are EXACTLY the right size for your dinner.

I usually feed my family and then freeze the excess for later. It ain't rocket science.

 

[GGTBod]

One of the smallest ones would do me champion, probably even cover next mornings brekky too

 

[cbr6fs]

Totally true, anything bigger than 2lb would be completely excessive and would be put back, i would have been looking for enough for one person to go with my carbs each evening, nothing more, I certainly wouldn't be taking a salmon for that.

As i say, speaking as a fisherman good luck in finding only fish that are the exact right size for you.

It's extremely difficult to catch ANY fish in most areas, trying to catch a fish that's palatable/edible that is exactly the right size for you will need a fair bot of time, experience and local knowledge.

To further sate your disgust at my position, i do not drink alcohol at all, I don't smoke, I don't litter, I only hunt for food whatever hunting i do, not for sport ever, never have and never will, I never leave a fire scar unless in a designated fire pit and when i leave i carry as much of other people's litter as i can carry wherever i have been, if more people treat this Earth like i do it wouldn't be such a dive, but you keep jumping to assumptions if it feeds your sense of superiority.

Bit melodramatic there.
You offered and opinion and as a fisherman that's had/got experience in other countries with looser regulations i offered and opinion based upon my own experiences.

Not really sure how that would cause a foot stamping, dummy throwing response

I would be extremely grateful if you would go back and reread my post.
I did not infer or even suggest that you were leaving fire scars, rubbish etc.

My point was that like it or not we have many members of the public that enjoy the outdoors but have absolutely NO sense of responsibility.
These folks DO leave rubbish, fire scars etc, imagine how these folks would be if there were no rules and regulations on fishing.

This is not me jumping to assumptions, this is me talking to another grown up about my own experiences.

With regards to me having a "sense of superiority" could you please explain this, again all i offered was another opinion based upon experience to challenge yours (without experience).

As i say i've lived and fished in countries where pretty much anything goes as far as fishing is concerned and i've lived and fished in the UK.
In my opinion based upon my own real world experiences i personally believe that your post (the first one i commented on) was both melodramatic and incorrect.

I can understand how someone with no knowledge or experience of fishing in other areas would think that.
My advice is to try fishing in other areas with a similar population level that has more "open" fishing rules.

I have and all i can say is, commercial fishing aside thank goodness these licenses are in place in the UK.

 

[GGTBod]

If i was born in the Amazon rainforest to people without a penny i'd have aboriginal rights to feed and clothe myself from the land, especially if the goal was to take only what i need and no more.

Born in England to people of no money descendants of the Victorian workhouses not their owners and i am entitled to jack squat in regards to feeding and clothing myself from nature, no aboriginal rights whatsoever.

This is what i mean by nothing left but the scraps from the table for which i basically need to beg and plead permission to acquire and then pay for the privilege of catching my own supper when the whole bloody point of catching my own supper is so i don't have to pay for it except with my time and effort and hopefully a little skill.

 

[santaman2000]

.....Visit other countries with a "freer" type attitude towards fishing, licensing and fish quotas and see how many fish you come back with.

The licenses serve as a very good deterrent to the type of people that are ruining outdoors camping, these folks don't care about leaving fire scars and beer cans there is little chance they'd care about catch and release or future fish stocks.

You wouldn't walk onto some ones land and kill a pig, cow, sheep, pheasant etc without some form of permission and licensing so why should fishing be any different.
Fact is you would be pulling fish out of some ones fish stocks on some ones elses land, why do you think it's unreasonable that you give these land/water owners some sort of financial recompense for taking stock from them?


There are very very few people within the UK that hunt specifically to put food on the table, the vast majority do it because they enjoy hunting.
Again why is fishing any different?

If you're fishing on a privately owned pond or lake, I agree with you wholeheartedly. The pond/lake owner is certainly entitled to compensation for his expenses.

On the other hand, just why is it reasonable to consider public waters such as free flowing rivers to be the private fishing reserve of a few priveleged people? I understand tht the philosophy goes back quite a ways. But that said, there's not really any reason thatI can see why it can't be changed.

As for the fires I also agree at least partly. I say partly because that $12.50 fishing license I mentioned here funds the State Parks Dept as well as the State Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission well enough to build public ponds, public access spots (boat launches, picnic areas, etc) on existing rivers and natural lakes with proper fire rings; and additionally enough funds to stock fish in public ponds/lakes.

 

[cbr6fs]

Keeping this reply strictly to freshwater regulations. we have licenses (and creel limits) here too. But nowhere near that expensive. An ordinary fishing license in Florida is only $12.50 for freshwater. And a license isn't required at all under certain conditions:
-fishing from the bank (or a structure permanently attached to the bank such as a pier or bridge)
-fishing with live or natural baits (no artificials or lures)
-no reel; only a pole
-fishing in your county of residence

It's called the "Cane Pole Law" (although the pole doesn't have to actually be cane) and is intended to allow affordable means to do exactly what GGTBod wants to do; get your supper.


As to how many fish we catch? (not necessarily with the cane pole law though)

There's no posted limit as such for catfish though there are some limits on individual ponds. Are they being depleted/ No. They're holding steady for over a hundred years now. Typical catch? Look below.




Panfish limit (aggragate catch of various species of Bream, Perch, Sunfish, etc.) = 50 per day with a 2 day possession limit (same possession limit as with all fish and game) Are they being depleted? Again, no. Actually in some cases they're even increasing.

I'm sorry mate but you seem to be "going off on one" of your pedantic wrong paths again.

My post was in reply to GGTBod's post (#23).
He was talking specifically about fresh water fishing on Lock Lomond

What you pull out of the sea or freshwater in the US does not have any relevance at all to the points i made.
Have you fished in the UK?
Have you paid for fish licensing in the UK?

If not then i don't see how you can compare UK fishing licensing to anywhere else.

My post drew a comparison with fishing licensing in the UK and other countries with similar population densities that have/had a more "open" licensing or regulation system, if you only have 1 experience and that's in the UK then that's not a comparison.

 

[copper_head]

Look guys I know we all have our opinions but do we really need another row?

John caught his wife some dinner on a Hobo line how cool is that .

 

[santaman2000]

....My point was that like it or not we have many members of the public that enjoy the outdoors but have absolutely NO sense of responsibility.
These folks DO leave rubbish, fire scars etc, imagine how these folks would be if there were no rules and regulations on fishing......

Absolutely agree; regulation is essential. But the way yours is described, it's less about general conservation and more about conservation of the privileged. Just a personal observation.

If i was born in the Amazon rainforest to people without a penny i'd have aboriginal rights to feed and clothe myself from the land, especially if the goal was to take only what i need and no more.

Born in England to people of no money descendants of the Victorian workhouses not their owners and i am entitled to jack squat in regards to feeding and clothing myself from nature, no aboriginal rights whatsoever.

This is what i mean by nothing left but the scraps from the table for which i basically need to beg and plead permission to acquire and then pay for the privilege of catching my own supper when the whole bloody point of catching my own supper is so i don't have to pay for it except with my time and effort and hopefully a little skill.

See above replt to cbr6fs.

 

[santaman2000]

I'm sorry mate but you seem to be "going off on one" of your pedantic wrong paths again.

My post was in reply to GGTBod's post (#23).
He was talking specifically about fresh water fishing on Lock Lomond

What you pull out of the sea or freshwater in the US does not have any relevance at all to the points i made.....

Ummm. That's not the point you made.

This is: "Visit other countries with a "freer" type attitude towards fishing, licensing and fish quotas and see how many fish you come back with."

I answered you.

 

[cbr6fs]

If i was born in the Amazon rainforest to people without a penny i'd have aboriginal rights to feed and clothe myself from the land, especially if the goal was to take only what i need and no more.

Born in England to people of no money descendants of the Victorian workhouses not their owners and i am entitled to jack squat in regards to feeding and clothing myself from nature, no aboriginal rights whatsoever.

This is what i mean by nothing left but the scraps from the table for which i basically need to beg and plead permission to acquire and then pay for the privilege of catching my own supper when the whole bloody point of catching my own supper is so i don't have to pay for it except with my time and effort and hopefully a little skill.

You are making comparisons against totally different cultures and life styles though.

What's the population density compared to fish in the Amazon rain forest?
How many people commute daily to work in the Amazon rain forest?
What's the average daily earning for inhabitants of the Amazon rain forest?

I can understand your point, it's just in my opinion it's not realistic.

As an example, lets say tomorrow all fishing regulations were dropped, or to be a fairer comparison were bought in line with fishing regulation for aboriginal tribes in the rain forest.
How long do you think the fish population would last, 6 months, a year?


The fact is, in the UK someone owns every single square cm of land.
In rural areas more of the population make a living and livelihood from said land, they will pay a fair bit to maintain that land, many will have worked hard, saved and bought it, others will have inherited it, either way it's still something they own.

When you buy a fish it's not just about you and your money, it's funding communities that maintain these areas for you to enjoy.

I'm sorry if my posts come off a bit strong, but from your posts so far i get a really strong sense that you feel you are owed some sort of self entitlement, that's simply not the case.
Some has to maintain those lakes, rivers, so you can enjoy them, why should you get something for free when the rest of us have to work and earn money to do the same?

As i say a bit strong maybe and if i misjudged the sentiment from your posts i apologise, but the cold hard truth is you are not entitled to anything and if all fishing in the UK stopped being regulated then incomes would fall, jobs would be lost, waterways would deteriorate and overfishing would destroy any chance of catching anything anyways.

To sum up my opinion it's that by charging these license fees it means there are actually fish out there to catch, if it wasn't licensed it wouldn't matter as they'd be no fish left anyways