Bank of England rules for this say you can nominate as many people as you like.
So no need to change your original nomination at all. In fact, why not say you have to nominate 2 people, one male and one female
Who would you nominate?
- Thread starter Mesquite
- Start date
Bank of England rules for this say you can nominate as many people as you like.
So no need to change your original nomination at all. In fact, why not say you have to nominate 2 people, one male and one female
We can nominate who ever we want, but they will put who they want on the bill.......
Our perception of a persons importance is guided largely by media.
I am not so sure Turing would be as famous as he is amongst the population had it not been or the media attention the last couple of years.
Same applies to others. Then, on the other hand, equally or even more important people are largely forgotten.
This might be a good opportunity to acknowledge such a person?
Byron's daughter is a such person.
Our perception of a persons importance is guided largely by media.
I am not so sure Turing would be as famous as he is amongst the population had it not been or the media attention the last couple of years.
Same applies to others. Then, on the other hand, equally or even more important people are largely forgotten.
This might be a good opportunity to acknowledge such a person?
Byron's daughter is a such person.
(Ahem) May I refer you to post #24...
Cavity magnatron was the enabler that gave the allies access to microwave technology, giving them huge advantages over the Hun.
Yes, but the German tech worked better. The detection apparatus equipment they had was probably far more advanced than anything the Allies ( including Soviets) had.
One indication is the number of night time bombers they shot down, and the very few German night time pursuit aircraft the Allies shot down.
Most equipment the Germans had was vastly superior to the allied equipment. But, being high precision and high tech, it was complex and difficult to produce, so was produced in relatively small numbers, plus needed skilled and well trained people to operate, and those were few, specially at end of the war.
Having a family history of both sides, I try to be neutral, and objective. History is history, after all.
One indication is the number of night time bombers they shot down, and the very few German night time pursuit aircraft the Allies shot down.
Most equipment the Germans had was vastly superior to the allied equipment. But, being high precision and high tech, it was complex and difficult to produce, so was produced in relatively small numbers, plus needed skilled and well trained people to operate, and those were few, specially at end of the war.
Having a family history of both sides, I try to be neutral, and objective. History is history, after all.
Sorry Janne I'll elabourate a bit more. Like a lot of German stuff in ww2 it technically surpassed allied produce, but being so technically specialised it cost alot.
Radar - technically better, functionally difficult to deploy.
Armourments ie tanks - far superior and far too hard to produce and maintain
battleships - superior and expensive few made, rendered useless against aircraft carriers
V2 rockets - brilliant technicaly rediculously expensive and massively useless
Enigma - technically brilliant and relied upon to doom
Etcetcetc
Edit:
The us used an obscure injun language in communications, theussr had the t34 tank we had the aircraft carrier. We also had the same radar, but it was not war worthy. Just because you know the science doesn't mean it's worth producing.
Radar - technically better, functionally difficult to deploy.
Armourments ie tanks - far superior and far too hard to produce and maintain
battleships - superior and expensive few made, rendered useless against aircraft carriers
V2 rockets - brilliant technicaly rediculously expensive and massively useless
Enigma - technically brilliant and relied upon to doom
Etcetcetc
Edit:
The us used an obscure injun language in communications, theussr had the t34 tank we had the aircraft carrier. We also had the same radar, but it was not war worthy. Just because you know the science doesn't mean it's worth producing.
Last edited:
It is very difficult to be able to pinpoint who was ‘first’ as so many groundbreaking inventions were made using ideas and research done by others.
Another important British inventor: Dunlop.
Imagine a world without the air filled tyre.....
Another important British inventor: Dunlop.
Imagine a world without the air filled tyre.....
Have to wait a bit for the croak clause to kick in, but it'd be a toss up between these two disparates.
Rather puts an age on me.
Benjamin Zephaniah or Charlie George
Rather puts an age on me.
Benjamin Zephaniah or Charlie George
I think its safe to say we have gone off track with this thread.
So to carry it on:- Rowan Atkinson studied Engineering at Oxford which means we could have Mr Bean on our
bank notes.
So to carry it on:- Rowan Atkinson studied Engineering at Oxford which means we could have Mr Bean on our
bank notes.
Still alive, but then we could have Queen on it too.
Brian May is an Astrophycisist, can also sing and plays ( just a bit) guitar.
Roger Taylor studied Dentistry, but flunked out and took a degree in Biology. He played drums from time to time.
They will either put somebody very influential nobody has heard about, or somebody wellknown that did not do much.
Remember these words!
Remember these words!
Except the Poles ’broke’ the Enigma code years before, by using a captured military grade Enigma machine.... using mathematicians. They also build computers ( called ’bombas’ ) to interpret the coded messages.
They gave all to to the Brits, and Turing just continued the work.
( the Enigma was a commercial coding machine, readily available to buy, albeit with fewer rotors ( = fewer permutations. The Mil grade Enigma the Poles gave to Britain in
The reason Turing is a household name is because he was a homo, was involved in a unit secret until a few years ago, hounded and persecuted by the state after the war ended due to his (then ) illegal sexual preferces, and (possibly) commited suicide.
And was posthumously the star of several books and movies, the latest only a few years ago, which made him famous.
The Americans also live under the illusion they ’saved the World’ by capturing the first Enigma and cracking the code.
Do you really think the peoples suggestions will be a deciding factor on whose likedness will be on the note?
They gave all to to the Brits, and Turing just continued the work.
( the Enigma was a commercial coding machine, readily available to buy, albeit with fewer rotors ( = fewer permutations. The Mil grade Enigma the Poles gave to Britain in
The reason Turing is a household name is because he was a homo, was involved in a unit secret until a few years ago, hounded and persecuted by the state after the war ended due to his (then ) illegal sexual preferces, and (possibly) commited suicide.
And was posthumously the star of several books and movies, the latest only a few years ago, which made him famous.
The Americans also live under the illusion they ’saved the World’ by capturing the first Enigma and cracking the code.
Do you really think the peoples suggestions will be a deciding factor on whose likedness will be on the note?
Last edited:
Only half the truth Janne - I suggest you leave this topic. Your comments sound slightly prejudicial.
"Who broke the Enigma? In fact, the Enigma had to be broken afresh over and over again. The hardware is not the whole story, and capturing it did not allow Enigma messages to be read. The German use of the Enigma depended on systems for setting the keys for each message transmitted, and it was these key-systems that had to be broken. There were many such systems, often changing, and the hardware was changed as well from time to time. The brilliant pre-war work by Polish mathematicians enabled them to read Enigma messages on the simplest key-systems. The information they gave to Britain and France in 1939 may have been crucial, but it was not sufficient for the continuation and extension of Enigma breaking over the next six years. New ideas were essential.
In late 1939, Alan Turing and another Cambridge mathematician, Gordon Welchman, designed a new machine, the British Bombe. The basic property of the Bombe was that it could break any Enigma-enciphered message, provided that the hardware of the Enigma was known and that a plain-text 'crib' of about 20 letters could be guessed accurately. "
"Who broke the Enigma? In fact, the Enigma had to be broken afresh over and over again. The hardware is not the whole story, and capturing it did not allow Enigma messages to be read. The German use of the Enigma depended on systems for setting the keys for each message transmitted, and it was these key-systems that had to be broken. There were many such systems, often changing, and the hardware was changed as well from time to time. The brilliant pre-war work by Polish mathematicians enabled them to read Enigma messages on the simplest key-systems. The information they gave to Britain and France in 1939 may have been crucial, but it was not sufficient for the continuation and extension of Enigma breaking over the next six years. New ideas were essential.
In late 1939, Alan Turing and another Cambridge mathematician, Gordon Welchman, designed a new machine, the British Bombe. The basic property of the Bombe was that it could break any Enigma-enciphered message, provided that the hardware of the Enigma was known and that a plain-text 'crib' of about 20 letters could be guessed accurately. "