Stinging nettle dye!

RAPPLEBY2000

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Hi, i have just made a large sisal net to hold camo leaf material, problem is the sisal colour is lighter than i want(it's light sand colour) i want to dye the whole net a green, my wife suggested nettle dye after all it's free!

can anyone advise me on what to do?

can you dye sisal or do i paint it?

Cheers :)
 

Toddy

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Nettle is a good dye, but it needs a mordant to help fix it.....the site referred to suggests vinegar, however, experience shows that vinegar won't work, you'll get a pale stain not a good dye using it.
Sisal is a woody fibre and as such it really needs to be tannined to take a dye; however you could try copper and then boil up the nettle with some really strong tea too, that ought to give you a brownish green.
Copper mordant is :eek: toxic :eek: but if you use it carefully then it's awfully useful. Find some off cuts of copper plumbing pipe, or something similar, and put them into a disposable screw top jar. If you use ammonia to cover the copper pieces you will very quickly get a bright ink blue liquid. If you use vinegar you will get a pale turquoise coloured one instead. Leave overnight. This liquid is the copper mordant.
Put hot water into a bucket and strain in the mordant liquid. You need enough water to just cover your net and allow you to move it around. Put the net into the bucket, stir occasionally and leave for at least a good couple of hours.
This mordanting leaves the surface of the sisal receptive to the dye. Boil up *lots* of nettle leaves and tops, strain and add to the contents of a really strong pot of tea.
Meanwhile, since you don't want the dye to fix to the loose copper in the mordant liquid you have to strain out the net and rinse gently. Remember the copper liquid is toxic and has to be disposed of safely. The sewerage systems are used to a little copper, since it's used in central heating and domestic potable water supplies, but in concentration it kills plants and animals.
Put the net back into the bucket and pour the dye you've made over it. Make sure there's enough liquid, even if you have to dilute it down a bit, to cover the net and let you move it around.
If you can do the dyeing using heat it will work very much more quickly, but time works just as well. Haul out he net, rinse and hang to dry. It ought to be a muted bushcraft green :D
Best of luck; let us see some photos?

Cheers,
Toddy
 

RAPPLEBY2000

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cheers it sounds a bit technical for me and i don't have any copper,

the strong tea/coffee seems an easy option for a brown! (plus the tannin from the tea!).

to be honest i'm a bit sick of nettles, :( i just picked around 40, for a string demo at the norfolk show on wednesday /thursday, but i still have some liying around! ;)
 

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Iron water will work too but it won't give you a good green; it'd be a muted khaki colour. Crush a couple of iron tablets & in dissolve in hot water or soak a washed out brillo pad in vinegar, that'll give you iron mordants. Just use like copper.

You *could* always just buy a green washin dye intended for natural fibres :D

I pick and strip hundreds of nettles in a season; I use them for everything from salt, tea, beer and soup to thread, rope and dye. It is very possible to get heartily weary of nettles :(

Cheers,
Toddy
 

Toddy

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Well, it's called salt, but it's really like a sort of savoury herby powder that folks with hypertension use instead of salt. It's okay actually. Works like a very mild stock too for stew, soups, etc.,
oh, and on home made crisps :D

Cheers,
Toddy
 

RAPPLEBY2000

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my net is currently sitting in a bucket in the shed in a mixture of tea coffee and salt! ;)

it already a browney colour.

i took a photo i shall try to load it.
 

RAPPLEBY2000

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ok here's the before picture! :rolleyes:

i put a sheet of white A4 to show true white colour, you'll note how the string is quite obvious on the grass even though the sisal is a brown colour! :(
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....well after a couple of hours soaking in the mixture, it's been rinsed and.....
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fantastic result! part of it has dissapeared into the grass! :D :D :D
from the picture it's difficult to pick out the individual strands! to me it looks about the same orangey brown colour now as dead bracken or dead bramble!
just what i wanted! :approve:
 

Biddlesby

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Toddy said:
I pick and strip hundreds of nettles in a season; I use them for everything from salt, tea, beer and soup to thread, rope and dye. It is very possible to get heartily weary of nettles :(

Would be interested to hear how you prepare them for these uses - particularly for salt/herby powder (just dry and crush?), and beer.
 

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Nice job on the net :D Looks excellent now.

Nettle beer is good stuff, if a touch explosive :eek: Match and others posted some really clear recipes, I'll see what I can find.

Edit; http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=4845&highlight=nettle+beer
see post #10 for the recipe

The *salt* can either be made simply by drying the leaves, or roasting them dry in an oven and then crushing them up very, very finely. I know someone who dries them and then sets fire to the bundle (think compost heap on fire, it stinks)and uses the ash like coltsfoot. You can also crush them lightly and keep them in a pile to ferment a bit ( like making black tea) before they are dried out.
We really need to trial this, don't we?

Cheers,
Toddy
 
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