Sheep/ goat skin comparison.

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henchy3rd

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Just asking for advice on the different properties & pros/cons of sheepskins v’s goatskins for a bedroll/sitting, for a hammock or tent as I can’t find any info comparing the two.
Can’t have reindeer as I’m intolerant to the fur?
I.E- weight difference.
Warmth for colder months.
Hygiene.
Smell.
longevity/ wear.
Pack size( do they compress).
Do they slip around like modern bedrolls/inflatables.
Any other info would be of great help before I decide which to buy.
Thanks.
 
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Broch

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The missus has a sheepskin; I have a goat skin. To be honest it depend as much on the breed as the species. The sheep skin we have is a tight fleece, almost curly and very insulating; the goat skin is longer hair, probably not as insulating, but, in my opinion, much nicer.

Neither compresses much, both smell (pleasantly in my opinion but that depends on the quality).

You can't buy unseen - there's just too much variation.
 
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Erbswurst

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I am no specialist but my brother owned goats before and now sheeps and I have used sheep hide instead of insulation mat for hundreds of nights outdoors.

I always would look for a sheep hide to sleep on if used instead of an insulation mat, but I can imagine that a few goat breeds have fur that's thick enough.

But generally goat fur is less warm than sheep fur.

Sheep hide works well as insulation mat, I didn't notice smell, it doesn't slip on a German army poncho, the volume is comparable with an army roll mat, but it is heavier of course and needs far longer to dry if it got whet. But if you keep it dry it works well. I recommend it, if you want a plastic free equipment. (If not I recommend a British army roll mat or a similar mat, because it's more handy.)
 
Just asking for advice on the different properties & pros/cons of sheepskins v’s goatskins for a bedroll/sitting, for a hammock or tent as I can’t find any info comparing the two.
Can’t have reindeer as I’m intolerant to the fur?
I.E- weight difference.
Warmth for colder months.
Hygiene.
Smell.
longevity/ wear.
Pack size( do they compress).
Do they slip around like modern bedrolls/inflatables.
Any other info would be of great help before I decide which to buy.
Thanks.
Go for Sheepskin Henchy, better than goatskin. Same as a pure sheep wool blanket is the best for retaining warmth even when wet. A close friend of mine used two of these skins, to which he sewed canvas to the skin side. But if you are not placing them directly on the earth, you don't have to worry about adding the canvas.
Keith.
 

henchy3rd

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Double Sheepskin it is then.
Next question which has probably been mentioned before on the forum.. can’t get on with my DD sleeping bag or any other bag as I find them restrictive as I’m a fidget at night & never had a good nights sleep yet in 25 years of sleeping outdoors?
So considering purchasing a feather down quilt to go with the sheepskin as I generally run cold at nights. so not wanting to part with money on a potentially expensive item which may not be suited to my needs.. I was wondering if anyone has any 1st hand experience with them.
I shan’t be getting it damp if I can help it either.
As said earlier, duel use hammock & ground dwelling usage.
Any help would be much appreciated.
 

Robson Valley

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I believe that goats have solid shaft hair on their skins. Matts when damp.
Sheep OTOH have wool with hollow strands that holds its loft when damp or wet.

I have an Aussie sheepskin coat, wool face inside, Inuit style. My choice when I knew I would be working outdoors in -25C for several hours with no chance of taking heat breaks. Did that shift for a week. Very fond of that coat for those circumstances. Above -10C, I would not even take it off the hanger. It's bulky and I have no plans to try to compress it to lose the insulating loft.
 

John Fenna

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If you want a plastics free quilt try cutting up old fur coats and making a blanket or cotton backed quilt.
I got my fur coats from charity shops - they could not sell them but when one appeared in a bag on their doorstep I offered to dispose of them ...and gave a donation! :) Patchworked together and sewn onto a wool blanket the fur is very warm (4 season) but heavy and bulky and I call it "The Beast"
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For summer use I backed cut up Rabbit skin coats and backed them with cotton - lighter, less bulk and 2/3 season warmth - having acquired the coats from a friend who was disposing of his late mothers effects .... I give you "Baby Beast"
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Both are big enough to cover a double bed and took 3 or 4 coats to make.
 

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Erbswurst

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Don't you live on a boat?

I doubt that any experienced person will recommend you a down quilt.
 

Erbswurst

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I slowly ask myself what we are talking about here.

A plastic free portable equipment usually consists of one or two large wool blankets that you wrap around you how it is shown in the video above.

Over it you build a cotton tarp or tent.
If it's a good one you also just can spread it out over you if you don't expect much rain.

Under it you put collected twigs.
(Military used straw).

In between you can put a sheep skin.

Alternatively you can wear a thick wool coat or a sheep skin coat and wrap a wool blanket just around your legs and tuck it into the coat that it looks approximately like your grandma in coat and skirt in winter times. (A sheep skin bag for the legs works surely well too.)

That have been the both usual options how it was done before they developed the plastic closed cell foam roll insulation mat and the sleeping bag.

The bed roll that already contains canvas bivvy bag and wool blankets was used by horsemen, not on foot.

All that is heavy, bulky and everything else than warm if you compare it with the same amount of modern plastic equipment, regarding volume and especially weight.

With a wool coat, a wool blanket and additional a sheep skin under you, you sleep by the fire if it is cold and usually care for it like this:
In the evening you burn a lot of beach and oak if possible to create good embers, put in the end thick logs onto it and sleep like that in a distance of approximately 1 metre for approximately 3 hours.

You awake because it gets cold, put new wood onto the fire, that you stored next to your head, and sleep another 90 minutes, awake put new wood on the fire and sleep another 90 minutes. And perhaps ones more if you need the usual 7 1/2 hours sleep and not just 6.

The 90 minutes is your usual sleep circle.
If you change in your bed the side you also do it after 3, 4 1/2, and 6 hours. All 90 minutes you nearly awake, some go after 4 1/2 hours to the loo.

If you get the right fire size and the right wood with a bit experience you can sleep like this comfortable.

I don't really wake up if I just put a few sticks onto the fire. But that's of course because I am used to it and don't get excited about the fact that I sleep by the fire.

Well, and in my modern military sleep system I just close it from inside and sleep like in a bed in a heated room.

That's why the NATO armies issue that and not the wool coat and wool blanket anymore that served well until 1945.

If you search for a really comfortable solution for a good nights sleep for 8 hours like at home in your bed that you easily can carry, let's talk about sleeping bags and not about historic equipment.

I can sleep comfortably with historic equipment. But comfort is relative.
I also can sit comfortably on a stone.

Of course a Snugpak Special Forces or Carinthia military sleep system is far more comfortable.

But I admit that the usual far too tight civil sleeping bags also for me aren't really comfortable. That's why I use military sleeping bags.

So once more:
What are we talking about here?
What do you want to do with your sleep system in which weather conditions in which area? How tall are you? Rather thick, thin or normal?

I am really the last who will write against an old school equipment and sleeping by the fire. But I think that you have the wrong sleeping bag and perhaps the wrong insulation mat and just need a new professional sleep system.

But yes, buy a sheep hide and a large wool blanket and try that out! Why not?
In your boat that good for sure! So no fault to get it.

But for hiking the modern equipment is more comfortable, my dear. You just need the right one in the right size!
 
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henchy3rd

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A late reply due to trying out both goat & sheep skins.
Large size sheepskin is to warm for summer, so probably better for colder weather, however it looks nice draped over my settee for the time being.
It’s bulky even when cinched down but I’d rather pay for the extra comfort in the colder months.

The goat skin 700x1800 on flea bay for £17.99 I find so versatile( yes it smells a bit when damp, but I find it pleasant)rolls up to comparison to my self inflating mat too.
I’ve done plenty of canoe/bushcraft camping with it & it affords me a bit of luxury & I’m happy to throw it on the ground for protection.
Tried it in my hammock, it didn’t roll around to much & I was so comfy.. no under blanket needed & kept a good shape, but unfortunately I can’t use hammocks anymore because of a knee Injury that’ll never get better.. shame as I prefer to hang in a hammock.
Another thought, I used to put my mat inside my sleeping bag to stop sliding off in the night, plus I used to wake up clammy.
With the goat skin I get non of that as I put the skin on top of my my sleep mat & the leather backing grips if better or just use the skin to lye on.
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